96: Building Exemplary Police Officers with Sergeant Jason Louis of TheBriefingRoom.com

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hey everybody welcome back to another episode of three cops talk this is shown today i'm joined by chris he's

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right

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back

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he

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the polish fog has joined

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yep

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us

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yep

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with uncle chris is on board again

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m

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and then the thrifty norwegian from the midwest he's with

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of

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us

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uh

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course

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you got to get some sort of a

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uh

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yes

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viking

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my

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horn sound to blow when

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h

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you're on board there

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m

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we'll talk to our guy

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yeah

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about that

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have

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we'll

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you

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talk

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watched

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to er

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that

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about that

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have you watched that film

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i'll

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that

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get

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the northmen have you seen

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the film yeah

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film

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that film

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it's art it's alright i call

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the

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it film

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film

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it's

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movie

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okay eight

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i

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millimeter

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have not watched it yet

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top gun

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i haven't

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is a movie the norseman is a film

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is a film

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yeah

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a film

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it's

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oh

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it's a history of

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yeah

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viking life and it's just like a t's about right when you watch it like they're doing crazy acting like dogs they

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yeah

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do a great thing the bazirkers

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a lot of

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the

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killing yeah

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like how tis like i guess they dropped like

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oh

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they shroomed and they just did crazy stuff like

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uh

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they did

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well

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and

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yeah

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then

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because

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they went

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that

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in

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when the what's the other show that that everybody just watched

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oh

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the netflix

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how would

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one

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i

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why

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know

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am i blank

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how would

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and

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i figure scott that you would know

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the last

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history about rooms but anyway go ahead

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yeah

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that's what they were doing on so they're like making this wack tea out

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ah

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of mushrooms you know and

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yes

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then they go out and chop people's heads off

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ah

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yeah but we got we we know we talk up polish culture a lot we

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oh

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got to really dive into that like

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yeah

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the influences that the

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oh

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viking cultures had on the world and it's usually through like pillaging raping rabbit

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yeah

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in and

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i

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they

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think

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did

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the

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a great

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polish

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job

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people

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illustrating

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all we got

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it

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is tuck pointing that's about

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and taking

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it i don't think

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drugs

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at anything else

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and apparently

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and

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taking

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taking

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drugs

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drugs

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and taking drugs the performance enhancing drugs to kill

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performance

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your enemies you know

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right

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what i mean like

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yeah

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you can stay up on it for forty eight hours killing

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ye

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endlessly

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yeah

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you know and then

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yeah

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you move on from there but

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that's

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it was

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what

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pretty

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it says

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cool

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on the side of the bottle is like endless killing

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yeah

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hey

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it's

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just

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that's a marketing that's that's a good

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endless

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drink bro that's good to kil

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yeah

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that's

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right

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my yeah that's the new that's like the north egan you know bang or

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the new asian

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yeah

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you know

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liquid

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energy

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death

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drinks

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liquid

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it's

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death

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like just

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oh

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yeah

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liquid death which is just

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bro

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water

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i just think

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by

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we

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the

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struck

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way

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gold here

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anyway

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and lose killing

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let's kill

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take this

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it anyway

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out of the recording i don't want people to copy my idea

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oh

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m

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all right well we'll edit this we'll

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m

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get this in post

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yeah

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as they say

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i'll

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but

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have

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a couple

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a prototype ready next week

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a couple of show notes while we're at it while we're talking about the show don't know if you folks have paid attention much to this but we actually have now moved into the realm of video we have a youtube

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m

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channel which we

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m

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take a condensed version of the entire episode of the still the top there

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so

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are valhalla is still to keep

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valhalla

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right

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it in that

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right

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our valhalla

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yeah

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yeah

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is still the

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oh

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podcast itself which is about an hour long and then we try to do some out takes and funnier things if we can from

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oh

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the actual recording which we're doing via video um and you get to see some of our guests

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yeah

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prettier faces than ours which is good which is not

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yeah

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it's not a really hard thing to be prettier than us the bar is pretty low for that but the

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right

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bottom line is

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right

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is it we're not going out of park particularly

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not

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today

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much

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you'll

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there

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see here in a sick dreamy dreamy

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it's not

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guy's

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like an only

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on board

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fantis

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today

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page or anything

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yeah

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but we wanted to

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much

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do some

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there

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follow up

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m

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yeah

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as well so please go out there and check out the u tube channel when you see it

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oh

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out there you see

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h

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it in the notes also the outube channel

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oh

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is chris what is it called on

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oh

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the youtube channel

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i fixed it it's three caps talk now

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what was it before

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yeah

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my name

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okay i tought it was something like pornographic so we could lower people in

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ah

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it's like a canadian own company called porn

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ah

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click

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hub

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bat

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or

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yeah

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yeahcophub

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three

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yeah

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or whatever it is

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three

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but anyway

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painted

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three

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toes talk

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yeahtallright moving right along

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so wait so all right so speaking of that i got i got i got

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wait

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i got i got a story i got

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wait

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a story

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well well

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and

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okay

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by

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so

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stand by

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you guys

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hold

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a

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on

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that i'm in the high school now right i'm

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m

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so

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yeah

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we actually

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yeah you're

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had

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back in high you're back

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yeah

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in high school

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back in

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like

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high school

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rodney dangerfield

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yeah

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we actually

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m

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had a

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oh

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teacher come

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oh

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up to one of our s r s not me and

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oh

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say

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ah

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that these girls haven't only

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m

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fans page and i'm like oh my god you

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oh

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know

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only fan page

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that what s it called

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am i asking i don't

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is

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know

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that

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is

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only

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it

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fans yeah

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only

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whatever

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fans

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those

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okay

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pornsihtes are on instagram or whatever i think they're

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oh

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only fans

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here we go

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whatever

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oh

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well anyway so

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oh

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everybody's up in arms and blah blah blah or whatever so long

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oh

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story short it turns out that through the rows that i work with it turns

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yeah

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out these girls are eighteen now so they're allowed to do it and all

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hm

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they're doing is

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oh

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taking pictures of their feet all they're doing

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yeah

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they're lie you want to see i'm like no but

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no

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all they're doing guess how much you're making

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oh

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a week

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yeah

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oh

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it's got

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i don't

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to be

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want to

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yeah

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five

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i don't

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hundred dollars

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ye

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oh

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a

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for

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week

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pictures

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yeah

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of their feet

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m

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m

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right

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how

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it's

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m

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just

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m

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who needs the dark web it's just right out here man it's

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that's what i'm

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all

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saying

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just like

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right

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you

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right

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to be underground if you like feet you're like i'm a weird oh i like feet but

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we

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i'm

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can't

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just goin

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yeah

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get

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t keep

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we

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it

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can't

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to myself

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get a thousand down loads me

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m

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put

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yeah

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my feet

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right

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up

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right

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here

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oh

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five like you don't want to

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get

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see

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your

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our

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feet

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feet

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up in front of that camera let's see what happens

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oh

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right

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this

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anyway

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might be a gate changer

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no no absolutely not

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you can get you can get our bio at the website as well as pictures of chris's feet in

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oh

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different

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without

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outdoor

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without

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venus

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without

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right

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black socks

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oh

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right

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that will cost you hand

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yeah like you're supposed to shave the hair off the

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m

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tone uncle

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yeah

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chris

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yeah

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uh

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you're supposed to do that that's part of the protocol

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yeah

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here

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oh

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but

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oh

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but

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god

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you have to film that you have

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right

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to film it

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right it'll

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whatever

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be on

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think

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you

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you're

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tube

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think

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later

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this is

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but it's it's it's commensurate with what everything else it's going on in the world and that's kind of like what you know

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yhnatosyeah

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we're going to talk a little bit about with our guest today he's joining us from california

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yeah

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which is great we're make

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yeah

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we're not talking feed from california i mean i'm sure there's great feed out there but

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right

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yeah

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but you know like that's where

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m

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oh

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it started though you little do you know that's like what would happen as all these starlights would be doing those walks you know before

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yeah

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premiers and thing like that and photographers were not just paperazi for taking pictures of them they would take pictures

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m

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of their feet

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oh

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and sell them to these websites

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yeah

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so

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oh

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like there's like really like weird

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oh

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pictures of women's feet out there like she's a beautiful wom and then there's pictures

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i

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of her feet and you're

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yeah

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like why do i need to

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m

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know this like well once she's out

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m

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there advertising

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ah

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because he's wearing these open toed shoes

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m

[shaun]: 5:40

and it's like

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oh

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right

[shaun]: 5:41

it's like really like there's stuff about feet

[scott]: 5:42

m

[shaun]: 5:43

i learned through this stuff but

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oh

[shaun]: 5:43

i'm like i got to move

[scott]: 5:45

m

[shaun]: 5:45

on here i gotta get a life i mean i definitely

[scott]: 5:47

m

[shaun]: 5:47

got to get a job that's for

[jason_louis]: 5:48

yeah

[shaun]: 5:48

but that all means sad going out to californiathere' a ot of things down in california that we had a lot in common we all as you all

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oh

[shaun]: 5:53

know if you listen to this show we

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oh

[shaun]: 5:54

all cut our

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oh

[shaun]: 5:55

teeth in illinois in illinois is our deeply blue state like i'm

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my

[shaun]: 5:59

the

[scott]: 5:59

yeah

[shaun]: 5:59

only state that

[scott]: 5:59

oh

[shaun]: 5:59

gets called quit or for a presidential

[chris_sherwin]: 6:01

yeah

[shaun]: 6:01

election

[scott]: 6:02

oh

[shaun]: 6:02

in illinois is california

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right

[shaun]: 6:04

the thing

[scott]: 6:04

hm

[shaun]: 6:04

about that is that california has got so many people

[scott]: 6:06

no

[shaun]: 6:06

it's

[jason_louis]: 6:06

a

[chris_sherwin]: 6:06

oh

[shaun]: 6:06

got so many electoral votes because it's massive when you look at it you're

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oh

[shaun]: 6:09

like wow

[scott]: 6:10

my

[shaun]: 6:10

in the continental united states that's it big big it's like the west

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oh

[shaun]: 6:14

coast east coast thing we got going right now chris with him me and you

[chris_sherwin]: 6:16

yeah

[shaun]: 6:16

our east coast

[chris_sherwin]: 6:17

yeah

[shaun]: 6:17

he's west coast

[scott]: 6:18

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 6:18

yeah

[shaun]: 6:18

like california is like what seventy five percent of the

[scott]: 6:21

i

[shaun]: 6:21

west coast i mean it's massive the size of it

[chris_sherwin]: 6:23

it's a

[scott]: 6:24

hm

[chris_sherwin]: 6:24

lot of land

[shaun]: 6:24

and

[chris_sherwin]: 6:24

mass

[shaun]: 6:24

and diversity that state and everything else but

[jason_louis]: 6:26

yeah

[shaun]: 6:27

again politically it's a lot

[scott]: 6:28

ah

[shaun]: 6:28

like illinois where you're like hey let's just outdo each other in the realm of making

[chris_sherwin]: 6:31

oh

[shaun]: 6:31

policing that much harder you

[scott]: 6:33

oh

[shaun]: 6:33

know and those things are

[scott]: 6:35

yeah

[shaun]: 6:35

our

[chris_sherwin]: 6:35

m

[shaun]: 6:35

things that were talk about a little bit today but

[scott]: 6:37

oh

[shaun]: 6:38

i first caught our guest

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m

[shaun]: 6:41

basically

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m

[shaun]: 6:42

his game when i was watching him talking about another thin we're gonna tryin to talk

[chris_sherwin]: 6:44

yeah

[shaun]: 6:45

about which his

[jason_louis]: 6:45

oh

[shaun]: 6:45

duty to intervene

[jason_louis]: 6:46

yeah

[shaun]: 6:46

which is what he does

[scott]: 6:47

oh

[shaun]: 6:47

as a trainer so we'll get into giving you his bio here in a minute we'll launch

[chris_sherwin]: 6:50

okay

[shaun]: 6:50

into what the show is going to be talking

[scott]: 6:51

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 6:51

oh

[shaun]: 6:51

about well we'll get into a

[chris_sherwin]: 6:53

m

[shaun]: 6:53

lot of different things and if he needs to come back from more shows because god knows you can't just

[chris_sherwin]: 6:56

oh

[shaun]: 6:56

wrap california up into

[scott]: 6:57

ah

[shaun]: 6:57

one episode

[chris_sherwin]: 6:58

well

[scott]: 6:58

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 6:58

he

[shaun]: 6:59

entire california

[chris_sherwin]: 6:59

no

[shaun]: 7:00

is just

[scott]: 7:00

it's too

[shaun]: 7:00

way

[scott]: 7:00

much

[chris_sherwin]: 7:00

yeah

[shaun]: 7:01

which is too much to it

[chris_sherwin]: 7:01

too

[shaun]: 7:02

too

[chris_sherwin]: 7:02

big

[shaun]: 7:02

to much too much history

[scott]: 7:03

yeah

[jason_louis]: 7:04

ah

[shaun]: 7:04

but our guest is an active

[chris_sherwin]: 7:05

yeah

[shaun]: 7:05

duty patrol sergeant with over twenty

[scott]: 7:06

oh

[shaun]: 7:07

years of law enforcement experience

[chris_sherwin]: 7:08

ye

[shaun]: 7:08

and a wide array of assignments including patrol custom

[chris_sherwin]: 7:11

ah

[shaun]: 7:11

courts investigation special enforcement and training

[chris_sherwin]: 7:14

yeah

[shaun]: 7:14

he's also a california post certified instructor and defensive

[chris_sherwin]: 7:17

oh

[shaun]: 7:17

tactics use of force and dscalations the force option simulator tasor

[chris_sherwin]: 7:22

m

[shaun]: 7:23

mergency vehicle operations he spent four years as

[chris_sherwin]: 7:26

yeah

[shaun]: 7:26

a full time in service training coordinator for his agencies regional training center in

[scott]: 7:30

ah

[chris_sherwin]: 7:30

oh

[shaun]: 7:30

southern california and

[scott]: 7:32

ah

[shaun]: 7:32

supervised the use of force arrest and

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m

[shaun]: 7:34

control

[chris_sherwin]: 7:34

yeah

[shaun]: 7:35

tasor fit testing

[scott]: 7:36

oh

[shaun]: 7:37

and first

[scott]: 7:37

m

[shaun]: 7:37

aid teaching cadres in addition he's a sitting member

[scott]: 7:40

oh

[shaun]: 7:40

of his agencies use of force

[scott]: 7:42

oh

[shaun]: 7:42

review board which is a very important

[scott]: 7:43

oh

[shaun]: 7:43

title for civilians if you don't understand that that's police officer

[scott]: 7:46

m

[shaun]: 7:47

it actually

[chris_sherwin]: 7:47

right

[shaun]: 7:47

review uses of force for police officers are experts in

[scott]: 7:50

m

[shaun]: 7:50

that and often

[chris_sherwin]: 7:51

oh

[shaun]: 7:51

times have to make

[jason_louis]: 7:51

yeah

[shaun]: 7:51

decisions

[scott]: 7:52

ah

[shaun]: 7:52

just as tough as people and i

[chris_sherwin]: 7:53

oh

[shaun]: 7:54

and chiefs about what they see for people that work closely with because we are a pretty

[chris_sherwin]: 7:58

m

[shaun]: 7:58

big family that as well as a

[scott]: 8:00

yeah

[shaun]: 8:00

certified for

[chris_sherwin]: 8:01

oh

[shaun]: 8:01

science analyst

[scott]: 8:02

i

[shaun]: 8:02

and enhanced force investigation strategy specialist

[chris_sherwin]: 8:05

m

[scott]: 8:05

ah

[shaun]: 8:06

grasejugitsu survival tactic

[scott]: 8:09

oh

[shaun]: 8:09

constructor and he's an avid

[scott]: 8:11

nice

[shaun]: 8:11

perfect gonna get this right and post for sure an

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right

[shaun]: 8:15

avid

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m

[shaun]: 8:15

practitioner of rasiliajujid

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m

[shaun]: 8:17

so sorry

[chris_sherwin]: 8:18

oh

[shaun]: 8:18

about that

[jason_louis]: 8:18

oh

[shaun]: 8:19

he's also

[chris_sherwin]: 8:19

ah

[shaun]: 8:19

earned a bachelor of science degree criminal justice management

[scott]: 8:21

okay

[shaun]: 8:22

and he is the call of

[jason_louis]: 8:23

yeah

[shaun]: 8:23

his private company the the briefing room folks please welcome today as guests sergeant

[scott]: 8:29

yeah

[shaun]: 8:29

jason lewis thanks

[scott]: 8:31

welcome

[chris_sherwin]: 8:31

hey

[shaun]: 8:31

for coming

[scott]: 8:32

welcome

[chris_sherwin]: 8:32

sir

[shaun]: 8:32

appreciate

[chris_sherwin]: 8:32

hey serge

[shaun]: 8:33

your being here

[chris_sherwin]: 8:33

thanks for coming

[jason_louis]: 8:34

thank you shan

[shaun]: 8:35

yeah

[jason_louis]: 8:35

i just want to go on record that no one in california wants any

[chris_sherwin]: 8:38

m

[jason_louis]: 8:38

pictures of chris's feet

[chris_sherwin]: 8:43

damn it

[scott]: 8:43

uh

[shaun]: 8:43

ah

[chris_sherwin]: 8:43

i'm losing audience by the

[jason_louis]: 8:44

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 8:44

second

[jason_louis]: 8:45

yeah keep those in florida

[chris_sherwin]: 8:47

yeah

[scott]: 8:47

yeah

[jason_louis]: 8:47

yeah

[shaun]: 8:50

well

[jason_louis]: 8:50

oh

[shaun]: 8:50

that be said well he's definitely on board with the stupidity which is cool

[scott]: 8:54

right right

[jason_louis]: 8:55

uh

[scott]: 8:55

right

[shaun]: 8:55

o

[scott]: 8:55

e f to a good start

[chris_sherwin]: 8:56

jump

[shaun]: 8:56

yea

[chris_sherwin]: 8:57

on the train

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the

[jason_louis]: 8:58

h

[shaun]: 8:59

if you could

[jason_louis]: 9:00

h

[scott]: 9:00

yeah

[shaun]: 9:00

jason tell us a little

[scott]: 9:01

oh

[shaun]: 9:01

bit about what got

[chris_sherwin]: 9:02

m

[shaun]: 9:02

you violent law enforcement

[chris_sherwin]: 9:03

m

[shaun]: 9:03

what currently what it

[chris_sherwin]: 9:05

m

[shaun]: 9:05

was like and what it currently is like

[chris_sherwin]: 9:06

oh

[scott]: 9:07

i

[shaun]: 9:07

and a police officer in california

[scott]: 9:08

m m hm

[jason_louis]: 9:10

what

[scott]: 9:10

yeah

[jason_louis]: 9:10

got me into law enforcement you know i was i was

[shaun]: 9:12

yes

[jason_louis]: 9:12

young i was a teen ager i was sixteen years old

[chris_sherwin]: 9:15

oh

[jason_louis]: 9:16

i didn't have much going on in my my life and

[scott]: 9:19

oh

[jason_louis]: 9:19

my mom found

[chris_sherwin]: 9:21

oh

[jason_louis]: 9:21

call in the newspaper

[shaun]: 9:22

oh

[jason_louis]: 9:22

about the explorer program so she showed it to me she took me down to the station

[shaun]: 9:27

yeah

[jason_louis]: 9:28

i

[scott]: 9:28

oh

[jason_louis]: 9:28

signed up and i fell in love with it and it became

[shaun]: 9:30

yeah

[jason_louis]: 9:30

my life

[scott]: 9:31

like

[chris_sherwin]: 9:31

now

[jason_louis]: 9:31

you know was going on right along

[scott]: 9:33

a

[jason_louis]: 9:33

all the time and i

[scott]: 9:34

nice

[jason_louis]: 9:34

you know promoted you could say up to

[chris_sherwin]: 9:36

yeah

[jason_louis]: 9:36

the highest rank in the explorer

[shaun]: 9:38

oh

[jason_louis]: 9:38

program and

[shaun]: 9:39

oh

[jason_louis]: 9:39

you know

[scott]: 9:40

m

[jason_louis]: 9:40

i really loved it and

[scott]: 9:41

oh

[jason_louis]: 9:41

graduated high school

[chris_sherwin]: 9:42

yeah

[jason_louis]: 9:42

and shortly

[shaun]: 9:43

yeah

[jason_louis]: 9:43

thereafter at nineteen years old i was in the academy so

[shaun]: 9:46

uh

[chris_sherwin]: 9:47

we

[scott]: 9:47

nice

[jason_louis]: 9:47

ever

[shaun]: 9:47

h

[jason_louis]: 9:47

since then yeah

[shaun]: 9:49

yeah

[jason_louis]: 9:49

i've loved this career and i still love

[chris_sherwin]: 9:51

oh

[jason_louis]: 9:51

it just as much

[shaun]: 9:52

yes

[jason_louis]: 9:52

today

[scott]: 9:53

a

[shaun]: 9:53

she with the

[chris_sherwin]: 9:54

that's

[shaun]: 9:54

same

[chris_sherwin]: 9:54

awesome

[shaun]: 9:54

agency

[jason_louis]: 9:54

how has

[shaun]: 9:54

that you

[jason_louis]: 9:54

it

[shaun]: 9:54

started

[jason_louis]: 9:54

changed

[scott]: 9:55

m

[shaun]: 9:55

with

[jason_louis]: 9:56

what's

[scott]: 9:56

oh

[jason_louis]: 9:56

that

[shaun]: 9:56

you're still with the same agency that you started with

[jason_louis]: 9:58

still with the same agency

[chris_sherwin]: 9:59

wow

[shaun]: 10:00

ah

[scott]: 10:00

nice

[jason_louis]: 10:00

um

[shaun]: 10:01

yeah

[jason_louis]: 10:01

yeah how it's changed

[shaun]: 10:02

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:03

man that's a loaded question

[chris_sherwin]: 10:04

yeah

[shaun]: 10:04

right

[chris_sherwin]: 10:04

right

[shaun]: 10:04

remember sorry

[chris_sherwin]: 10:05

let's let's

[scott]: 10:06

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 10:06

pick one topic how

[shaun]: 10:07

right

[chris_sherwin]: 10:07

one one topic changed

[jason_louis]: 10:09

you know i was

[shaun]: 10:10

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:10

i was going on right along

[scott]: 10:11

yeah

[jason_louis]: 10:12

in

[scott]: 10:12

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:12

the mid nineties and then i was in the academy in nineteen ninety

[shaun]: 10:15

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:15

nine m

[scott]: 10:16

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:16

and

[chris_sherwin]: 10:16

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:17

obviously there was a lot more freedom

[shaun]: 10:18

yah

[jason_louis]: 10:19

for officers

[shaun]: 10:20

okay

[chris_sherwin]: 10:20

right

[jason_louis]: 10:20

at that time

[shaun]: 10:21

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:21

and i'm not saying i'm not saying it was better

[shaun]: 10:23

i

[jason_louis]: 10:23

than it is now

[scott]: 10:24

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:25

it was just

[chris_sherwin]: 10:25

ah

[shaun]: 10:25

i

[jason_louis]: 10:26

it was it was different

[scott]: 10:26

different yeah yeah

[shaun]: 10:28

hm

[jason_louis]: 10:28

very different

[shaun]: 10:29

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:30

and some things have definitely actually improved in something have not you know it's just different

[chris_sherwin]: 10:35

m

[jason_louis]: 10:35

that's all

[shaun]: 10:35

m

[jason_louis]: 10:35

i like to say is it's just different and it's been

[shaun]: 10:37

oh

[scott]: 10:37

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 10:37

m

[jason_louis]: 10:37

different for

[shaun]: 10:38

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:39

cops throughout time you know

[chris_sherwin]: 10:40

right

[jason_louis]: 10:40

i mean you

[shaun]: 10:41

hm

[jason_louis]: 10:41

you think about like when gram versus corner first came out or tennessee

[shaun]: 10:44

right

[jason_louis]: 10:44

versus garn cases like that

[scott]: 10:45

m

[jason_louis]: 10:46

they probably thought this is unbelievable

[chris_sherwin]: 10:47

yeah

[jason_louis]: 10:48

how can i how can we how can we still practice

[chris_sherwin]: 10:50

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:51

law enforcement today but

[shaun]: 10:52

yeah

[jason_louis]: 10:52

to us

[scott]: 10:52

right

[chris_sherwin]: 10:52

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:52

it's just normal

[shaun]: 10:54

right

[chris_sherwin]: 10:54

oh

[jason_louis]: 10:54

so that's it to me we're just in a period of transition and we can we can adapt and and

[scott]: 11:00

yeah

[jason_louis]: 11:00

we can still

[chris_sherwin]: 11:00

m

[jason_louis]: 11:00

be effective it's

[shaun]: 11:01

yeah

[jason_louis]: 11:01

just different

[shaun]: 11:03

right

[scott]: 11:03

yeah

[shaun]: 11:04

well

[chris_sherwin]: 11:04

yeah i

[shaun]: 11:04

i

[chris_sherwin]: 11:04

just i mean just follow some of the stuff i mean

[shaun]: 11:06

m

[chris_sherwin]: 11:07

we're

[shaun]: 11:07

hm

[chris_sherwin]: 11:07

going to be effective

[shaun]: 11:08

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 11:08

because

[scott]: 11:08

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 11:09

i think some

[jason_louis]: 11:10

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 11:10

of our

[scott]: 11:10

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 11:10

stuff is going to stay the same but

[scott]: 11:12

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 11:12

some of the stuff that you know politicians and stuff are changed ing

[scott]: 11:16

my

[chris_sherwin]: 11:16

is going to limit how

[scott]: 11:18

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 11:19

we protect people that we swore to protect i mean

[jason_louis]: 11:22

yes

[chris_sherwin]: 11:22

it's

[shaun]: 11:23

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 11:23

just

[scott]: 11:23

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 11:23

it just is i mean things come differently you know grand

[shaun]: 11:25

m

[chris_sherwin]: 11:25

versus connor you know excessive force and all that stuff i mean

[scott]: 11:28

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 11:28

you could kind of see that stuff and say

[scott]: 11:30

ah

[chris_sherwin]: 11:30

yeah you know we just need to be better at certain things but when you have stuff

[shaun]: 11:34

m

[chris_sherwin]: 11:35

like you know

[shaun]: 11:35

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 11:35

hey you can commit a robbery and no cash bond here

[scott]: 11:38

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 11:38

sign here it's just

[jason_louis]: 11:40

yeah

[shaun]: 11:40

m m

[chris_sherwin]: 11:41

it's one of those things that just like you said sargent we could you know a lot of things are gonna

[scott]: 11:45

a

[chris_sherwin]: 11:45

overcome we could we could adapt

[jason_louis]: 11:47

ah

[chris_sherwin]: 11:47

to it but i just think some things that that are changing you know starting in california and i think you know and then illinois know not far behind him is that you're going to

[scott]: 11:55

nope

[chris_sherwin]: 11:55

you're going to come to a spot

[jason_louis]: 11:56

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 11:56

that what as policeman what do we do we take somebody to jail for robbery or whatever and then they're out or we can't arrest somebody for trust

[shaun]: 12:06

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 12:06

passing because we stand there and let them berate the owner

[shaun]: 12:10

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 12:10

and the client and the customers and everything else and we can't do anything about it i mean i just think some of the things

[shaun]: 12:16

m

[chris_sherwin]: 12:16

you know

[scott]: 12:16

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 12:16

that that

[jason_louis]: 12:16

ah

[chris_sherwin]: 12:16

are changing

[shaun]: 12:17

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 12:18

i don't think it's going

[scott]: 12:19

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 12:19

to make us a better policeman

[scott]: 12:22

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 12:22

i think it's going to make us more

[shaun]: 12:24

oh

[scott]: 12:24

it

[chris_sherwin]: 12:24

ineffective and it's going to harm citizens which

[scott]: 12:27

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 12:28

we go out there on a daily basis

[scott]: 12:29

m

[chris_sherwin]: 12:29

and put our lives on a line for

[scott]: 12:30

yeah

[shaun]: 12:31

oh

[jason_louis]: 12:32

yeah

[scott]: 12:32

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 12:32

yeah

[jason_louis]: 12:33

for sure it is and you know they like to say it's

[chris_sherwin]: 12:35

oh

[jason_louis]: 12:35

a pendulum and i believe that i really do believe that

[scott]: 12:38

yeah

[jason_louis]: 12:38

and it's definitely a pendulum

[chris_sherwin]: 12:39

oh

[jason_louis]: 12:40

that we

[scott]: 12:40

ah

[jason_louis]: 12:40

in law enforcement

[scott]: 12:41

yeah

[jason_louis]: 12:41

don't like because you know why why did you

[chris_sherwin]: 12:44

oh

[jason_louis]: 12:44

get into law enforcement you didn't get into law enforcement to let criminals go and

[chris_sherwin]: 12:48

right

[jason_louis]: 12:48

you know

[scott]: 12:48

right

[chris_sherwin]: 12:48

right

[jason_louis]: 12:49

not

[shaun]: 12:49

right

[chris_sherwin]: 12:49

right

[jason_louis]: 12:49

enforce

[scott]: 12:49

right

[jason_louis]: 12:49

the law

[shaun]: 12:50

right

[jason_louis]: 12:50

right but essentially

[scott]: 12:51

yeah

[jason_louis]: 12:51

that's what you're being asked to do you know

[scott]: 12:53

oh

[jason_louis]: 12:54

and then it

[scott]: 12:54

yah

[jason_louis]: 12:54

creates

[chris_sherwin]: 12:55

oh

[jason_louis]: 12:55

a moral shoe which

[chris_sherwin]: 12:56

yeah

[jason_louis]: 12:56

is something that

[scott]: 12:57

h

[jason_louis]: 12:57

we face here really really

[shaun]: 12:58

oh

[jason_louis]: 12:58

badly because

[scott]: 12:59

oh

[jason_louis]: 13:00

they

[shaun]: 13:00

oh

[jason_louis]: 13:00

feel like uh they're out there the officers are out there taking the risk they're out there taking

[scott]: 13:05

right

[jason_louis]: 13:05

a risk to be out there in the

[scott]: 13:07

ah

[chris_sherwin]: 13:07

m

[jason_louis]: 13:07

public

[shaun]: 13:08

oh

[scott]: 13:08

yeah

[jason_louis]: 13:08

the fight crime and it doesn't pay off because they arrest that person and the persons

[chris_sherwin]: 13:14

oh

[jason_louis]: 13:14

taking a

[shaun]: 13:14

yeah

[jason_louis]: 13:15

bus

[scott]: 13:15

a

[jason_louis]: 13:15

back to the city at the same

[scott]: 13:16

yeah

[jason_louis]: 13:16

time the officers driving back

[chris_sherwin]: 13:18

right

[scott]: 13:19

right

[jason_louis]: 13:19

driving

[shaun]: 13:19

right

[chris_sherwin]: 13:19

right

[jason_louis]: 13:19

right

[shaun]: 13:19

right

[jason_louis]: 13:19

driving

[scott]: 13:19

back

[jason_louis]: 13:20

back to the city

[shaun]: 13:21

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 13:21

right and then

[jason_louis]: 13:22

right

[chris_sherwin]: 13:22

and they're much more liberal with law suits out there so you're

[jason_louis]: 13:25

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 13:25

taking a risk and a risk

[jason_louis]: 13:27

yes yeah so so your

[scott]: 13:29

yeah

[jason_louis]: 13:29

risk level is pretty

[shaun]: 13:30

oh

[jason_louis]: 13:30

high so

[chris_sherwin]: 13:30

oh

[scott]: 13:31

eh

[jason_louis]: 13:31

i'm not

[scott]: 13:31

oh

[jason_louis]: 13:32

saying all

[chris_sherwin]: 13:32

yeah

[jason_louis]: 13:32

of that is better i'm jist saying we have to adapt we

[scott]: 13:35

yeah

[jason_louis]: 13:35

have to recognize what the

[scott]: 13:36

i

[jason_louis]: 13:36

legislature

[shaun]: 13:37

yeah

[jason_louis]: 13:37

and what the courts are telling us and we have to

[shaun]: 13:40

m

[jason_louis]: 13:40

be better

[shaun]: 13:40

m

[jason_louis]: 13:40

about what we're doing

[shaun]: 13:41

oh

[jason_louis]: 13:41

we have to read case law and listen to it and we have

[chris_sherwin]: 13:45

my

[jason_louis]: 13:45

to adapt so

[scott]: 13:46

yeah

[jason_louis]: 13:46

that we

[shaun]: 13:46

yeah

[jason_louis]: 13:46

can get through this period because

[shaun]: 13:49

yeah

[jason_louis]: 13:49

i do believe the pendulum will swing the other

[chris_sherwin]: 13:51

m

[jason_louis]: 13:51

as crime

[chris_sherwin]: 13:51

yeah

[jason_louis]: 13:52

rises

[shaun]: 13:52

hm

[scott]: 13:52

oh yeah

[jason_louis]: 13:52

and

[scott]: 13:52

right

[chris_sherwin]: 13:53

right

[jason_louis]: 13:53

all

[chris_sherwin]: 13:53

so

[jason_louis]: 13:53

you have to do go

[shaun]: 13:54

my

[jason_louis]: 13:54

to go to san francisco right

[shaun]: 13:55

yep

[jason_louis]: 13:55

now or

[shaun]: 13:55

i'm just

[jason_louis]: 13:56

go

[shaun]: 13:56

going

[jason_louis]: 13:56

to

[shaun]: 13:56

to

[jason_louis]: 13:56

los

[shaun]: 13:56

say

[scott]: 13:56

oh my

[jason_louis]: 13:56

angeles

[scott]: 13:56

god yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 13:57

right

[shaun]: 13:57

ah

[scott]: 13:57

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 13:57

but then

[shaun]: 13:58

right

[chris_sherwin]: 13:58

what's going to happen now when you know and i do believe that this is a pendulum swinging

[shaun]: 14:02

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 14:03

you know career that we're in but now what happens when they come in

[shaun]: 14:07

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 14:07

and say hey sarge you know what you to take eight guys because now the law is we got to take back the city in the streets i want you to take eight guys and i want you to start enforcing the laws that we really didn't have you enforce before and now you got to kind of do it

[jason_louis]: 14:20

hm

[chris_sherwin]: 14:20

i mean now they want you to do this and you're like okay but

[scott]: 14:23

a

[chris_sherwin]: 14:24

now as a prosecutor or as a politician

[scott]: 14:27

i

[chris_sherwin]: 14:27

you know you're going to have to just kind of

[scott]: 14:29

ah

[shaun]: 14:30

ah

[chris_sherwin]: 14:31

prosecute everything we bring in

[shaun]: 14:32

yes

[chris_sherwin]: 14:32

but this isn't going to be

[scott]: 14:34

i

[chris_sherwin]: 14:34

as easy and going out and put

[scott]: 14:36

it's

[chris_sherwin]: 14:36

some

[scott]: 14:36

not gonna

[chris_sherwin]: 14:36

cuffs

[scott]: 14:36

be

[chris_sherwin]: 14:36

on

[scott]: 14:36

quick

[chris_sherwin]: 14:36

on yeah

[scott]: 14:37

it's not going to be quick right

[chris_sherwin]: 14:38

and it's not going to be non violent

[shaun]: 14:40

m

[chris_sherwin]: 14:40

cause they let

[scott]: 14:41

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 14:41

him get

[jason_louis]: 14:41

absolutely

[chris_sherwin]: 14:41

away with the violence for so long

[shaun]: 14:43

oh

[scott]: 14:43

yeah

[jason_louis]: 14:43

yeah but but you don't have any control over those decisions

[chris_sherwin]: 14:45

yeah

[jason_louis]: 14:46

right so

[chris_sherwin]: 14:46

right

[jason_louis]: 14:47

so being being emotionally attached

[shaun]: 14:49

yeah

[jason_louis]: 14:49

to it

[shaun]: 14:50

yes

[jason_louis]: 14:50

doesn't

[scott]: 14:50

yeah

[jason_louis]: 14:50

help anything

[chris_sherwin]: 14:51

yeah

[jason_louis]: 14:51

that's the way i

[shaun]: 14:52

yeah

[jason_louis]: 14:52

look at it right it's

[scott]: 14:53

yeah

[jason_louis]: 14:53

not it's the public

[shaun]: 14:54

ah

[jason_louis]: 14:54

is the

[chris_sherwin]: 14:55

oh

[jason_louis]: 14:55

one voted these people in the public

[shaun]: 14:56

right

[scott]: 14:56

yeah

[jason_louis]: 14:57

is the one that that made

[chris_sherwin]: 14:59

oh

[jason_louis]: 14:59

this decision when i go out on calls and it's a call where i cannot i cannot remove the disturbing party from the scene

[scott]: 15:06

oh

[shaun]: 15:06

m

[chris_sherwin]: 15:06

m

[jason_louis]: 15:06

because laws have been changed or i

[shaun]: 15:08

m

[jason_louis]: 15:08

know they'll be right back i explain everything

[shaun]: 15:11

yes

[jason_louis]: 15:11

to the

[scott]: 15:11

oh yeah

[jason_louis]: 15:12

to the

[scott]: 15:12

right

[chris_sherwin]: 15:12

right

[jason_louis]: 15:12

people on scene and they're blown away

[shaun]: 15:14

m

[jason_louis]: 15:14

every single

[chris_sherwin]: 15:15

yeah

[jason_louis]: 15:15

time they're blown away that these are the laws that this is

[shaun]: 15:18

oh

[jason_louis]: 15:18

what's happening

[chris_sherwin]: 15:19

right

[jason_louis]: 15:19

and

[scott]: 15:20

yeah

[jason_louis]: 15:20

that's just part of the process of getting minds to change

[shaun]: 15:23

m

[jason_louis]: 15:23

because

[chris_sherwin]: 15:23

oh

[jason_louis]: 15:24

it doesn't matter

[scott]: 15:25

oh

[jason_louis]: 15:25

to them until it matters to them you know until

[chris_sherwin]: 15:27

right

[shaun]: 15:27

right

[jason_louis]: 15:27

it's

[scott]: 15:27

right

[chris_sherwin]: 15:27

right

[scott]: 15:27

yeah

[shaun]: 15:28

right

[jason_louis]: 15:28

it's happening

[shaun]: 15:28

right

[scott]: 15:28

ah

[chris_sherwin]: 15:28

right

[scott]: 15:28

until it's

[jason_louis]: 15:28

to

[scott]: 15:29

happening

[jason_louis]: 15:29

them

[scott]: 15:29

to you right

[chris_sherwin]: 15:30

i

[scott]: 15:30

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 15:30

voted

[scott]: 15:30

exactly

[shaun]: 15:30

at

[chris_sherwin]: 15:30

for who because they did

[scott]: 15:31

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 15:31

what you know

[jason_louis]: 15:33

right and then and then it becomes real

[chris_sherwin]: 15:35

oh

[jason_louis]: 15:35

and

[scott]: 15:35

yeah

[jason_louis]: 15:35

so

[scott]: 15:37

oh

[jason_louis]: 15:37

it's the adapting is adapting

[scott]: 15:39

yeah

[jason_louis]: 15:39

everything we do being better communicators and like i said understand the

[scott]: 15:44

yeah

[jason_louis]: 15:44

public duty doctrine understanding case

[scott]: 15:45

m

[jason_louis]: 15:45

law

[scott]: 15:47

hm

[jason_louis]: 15:47

reading

[chris_sherwin]: 15:47

we

[jason_louis]: 15:47

reading your

[scott]: 15:49

yeah

[jason_louis]: 15:49

state laws you know cops will blow past changes in the law and not retain it to memory

[scott]: 15:55

ah

[jason_louis]: 15:56

and when you're doing that with things like us a force

[scott]: 15:58

yeah

[jason_louis]: 15:58

man that that

[chris_sherwin]: 15:59

right

[jason_louis]: 15:59

you're responsible for all of that whether you

[chris_sherwin]: 16:01

yeah

[jason_louis]: 16:02

committed it to memory or not and

[chris_sherwin]: 16:03

right

[jason_louis]: 16:03

we cannot afford especially today with the proliferation of video cameras

[chris_sherwin]: 16:08

all right

[shaun]: 16:08

hm

[scott]: 16:08

yeah

[jason_louis]: 16:08

we cannot afford

[shaun]: 16:09

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 16:09

yeah

[jason_louis]: 16:09

to just blow past it and not pay attention

[chris_sherwin]: 16:12

ignorance

[jason_louis]: 16:12

to all

[chris_sherwin]: 16:12

of the

[jason_louis]: 16:12

the changes

[chris_sherwin]: 16:12

law

[scott]: 16:12

well

[chris_sherwin]: 16:12

is not a defense

[shaun]: 16:13

oh

[scott]: 16:14

and and you know we're going to get in you know i wanted to ask you about you know when the how the cash the no bail

[chris_sherwin]: 16:20

oh

[scott]: 16:20

has started have

[shaun]: 16:21

m

[scott]: 16:21

an impact or ha

[jason_louis]: 16:22

ah

[scott]: 16:22

has had an impact out there on you

[chris_sherwin]: 16:23

yeah

[scott]: 16:24

because for me here in illinois this is a thing that's looming coming here at the first of the year and it's the big bug amongst law enforcement

[chris_sherwin]: 16:33

oh

[scott]: 16:33

here in illinois and what i'm getting now is the there's

[chris_sherwin]: 16:37

oh

[scott]: 16:38

becoming

[shaun]: 16:38

oh

[scott]: 16:38

there's a lot more pressed about it and you're hearing more and more

[shaun]: 16:41

yeah

[scott]: 16:41

about

[chris_sherwin]: 16:41

yeah

[scott]: 16:41

it and there's more stuff on the news and more articles

[shaun]: 16:43

oh

[scott]: 16:43

more things

[chris_sherwin]: 16:44

oh

[scott]: 16:44

on the law enforcement websites

[shaun]: 16:45

oh

[scott]: 16:45

and the court sites

[shaun]: 16:46

oh

[scott]: 16:47

and

[jason_louis]: 16:47

yeah

[scott]: 16:47

you're i'm getting a lot of questions from family members and friends and hey what is this all about and what's really going

[shaun]: 16:53

ah

[scott]: 16:53

to happen and you start telling

[shaun]: 16:54

right

[scott]: 16:54

people and the looks on their face they're like

[shaun]: 16:56

m

[scott]: 16:57

oh my gosh these

[chris_sherwin]: 16:58

yeah

[scott]: 16:58

crimes these are gonna be things people are just going to get you're going to bring him in ad they're going to turn around and release

[chris_sherwin]: 17:02

m

[scott]: 17:02

him with no bond and i said

[chris_sherwin]: 17:03

yeah

[scott]: 17:04

yeah and it's it's scary that

[chris_sherwin]: 17:06

oh

[shaun]: 17:07

oh

[scott]: 17:08

that not a lot of people are really

[shaun]: 17:10

yeah

[scott]: 17:10

informed about this or maybe that it's the

[shaun]: 17:12

oh

[scott]: 17:13

way that it's been

[chris_sherwin]: 17:13

yeah

[scott]: 17:13

pushed through so quickly and behind

[chris_sherwin]: 17:16

eh

[scott]: 17:16

closed doors

[chris_sherwin]: 17:16

oh

[scott]: 17:16

i don't think people really realize the impact that this is going to have

[shaun]: 17:19

oh

[jason_louis]: 17:20

yeah

[scott]: 17:20

oh

[jason_louis]: 17:21

you have to remember though too that those are the

[shaun]: 17:22

yeah

[jason_louis]: 17:22

people that you hang out with and that you know right and there's a whole subset of other people that are super excited

[shaun]: 17:28

m

[jason_louis]: 17:28

about it and think it's going to

[scott]: 17:29

right

[jason_louis]: 17:29

be

[chris_sherwin]: 17:30

right

[jason_louis]: 17:30

going to be

[scott]: 17:31

right

[shaun]: 17:31

right

[jason_louis]: 17:31

this great thing

[shaun]: 17:31

right

[jason_louis]: 17:32

and

[scott]: 17:32

yeah yeah

[jason_louis]: 17:32

you know

[chris_sherwin]: 17:33

ah

[jason_louis]: 17:34

um

[shaun]: 17:34

it

[jason_louis]: 17:34

to me

[scott]: 17:36

yeah

[shaun]: 17:36

yeah

[jason_louis]: 17:36

see i live

[chris_sherwin]: 17:37

oh

[jason_louis]: 17:37

where i work is

[chris_sherwin]: 17:38

yeah

[jason_louis]: 17:38

as

[shaun]: 17:38

yeah

[jason_louis]: 17:39

a very supportive

[scott]: 17:40

yeah

[jason_louis]: 17:40

area

[chris_sherwin]: 17:41

m

[jason_louis]: 17:41

very conservative

[scott]: 17:43

m

[jason_louis]: 17:43

area of lifornia

[scott]: 17:44

hm

[jason_louis]: 17:45

and we have a lot of support a

[shaun]: 17:46

yeah

[jason_louis]: 17:46

lot of law enforcement support

[chris_sherwin]: 17:47

yeah

[jason_louis]: 17:47

here

[shaun]: 17:47

oh

[scott]: 17:48

yeah

[jason_louis]: 17:48

um and so we've seen the impact of that but it hasn't

[shaun]: 17:51

oh

[jason_louis]: 17:51

been as great as when i drive into los angeles

[shaun]: 17:54

right

[scott]: 17:54

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 17:54

right

[shaun]: 17:55

right

[chris_sherwin]: 17:55

right

[scott]: 17:55

yeah

[shaun]: 17:55

right

[jason_louis]: 17:55

when i draw in de los angeles

[shaun]: 17:57

m

[jason_louis]: 17:57

it's

[chris_sherwin]: 17:58

oh

[jason_louis]: 17:58

it's unbelievable

[scott]: 17:59

yeah

[jason_louis]: 17:59

it's a

[scott]: 18:00

yeah

[jason_louis]: 18:00

another world

[scott]: 18:01

a right

[jason_louis]: 18:02

the

[shaun]: 18:02

it

[scott]: 18:02

oh

[jason_louis]: 18:02

the homelessness that you see all over

[shaun]: 18:05

oh

[jason_louis]: 18:05

the crime it's just truly unbelievable

[shaun]: 18:09

oh

[scott]: 18:10

m

[jason_louis]: 18:11

so

[scott]: 18:11

m

[jason_louis]: 18:11

to me

[scott]: 18:12

oh

[jason_louis]: 18:12

it's not

[chris_sherwin]: 18:13

yeah

[jason_louis]: 18:13

only about those laws that you have but it's where

[shaun]: 18:16

yea

[jason_louis]: 18:16

you live and what

[chris_sherwin]: 18:16

oh

[jason_louis]: 18:16

is the what is the community like because yeah

[scott]: 18:19

yeah

[jason_louis]: 18:19

it's affected us but not

[chris_sherwin]: 18:21

h

[jason_louis]: 18:21

nearly as bad as a city's like lay in san francisco

[scott]: 18:25

yeah

[shaun]: 18:26

but even there they've taken steps to your point

[scott]: 18:28

yeah oh

[shaun]: 18:28

jason about the pendulum swinging people

[scott]: 18:31

oh

[shaun]: 18:31

can only take

[jason_louis]: 18:31

hm

[shaun]: 18:31

it for so long and

[jason_louis]: 18:33

that's

[chris_sherwin]: 18:33

oh

[jason_louis]: 18:33

right

[shaun]: 18:33

the

[scott]: 18:33

i

[shaun]: 18:33

age that we live in information gets

[scott]: 18:35

oh

[shaun]: 18:35

out so

[chris_sherwin]: 18:36

yah

[shaun]: 18:36

quickly and people can share

[jason_louis]: 18:37

right

[shaun]: 18:37

things with each other so

[jason_louis]: 18:38

ah

[shaun]: 18:38

quickly

[chris_sherwin]: 18:38

h

[shaun]: 18:39

just like their sub sets in news where you go where you want to hear what you want to hear people that live

[chris_sherwin]: 18:44

oh

[shaun]: 18:44

on that block that are deeply affected by that

[jason_louis]: 18:46

yeah

[shaun]: 18:46

the prosecutor in san francisco was was beat basically

[jason_louis]: 18:50

yeah

[scott]: 18:50

yeah

[shaun]: 18:50

through the asian community there because these folks

[scott]: 18:52

yeah

[shaun]: 18:52

are shop keeps people that live that that you can't prosecute retail theft you can't

[scott]: 18:56

ah

[shaun]: 18:56

prosecute homelessness vagrancy all of these

[jason_louis]: 18:59

oh

[shaun]: 18:59

kind of things these folks are like

[jason_louis]: 19:00

yeah

[shaun]: 19:00

hey we can to this is community and we don't

[scott]: 19:03

hm

[shaun]: 19:03

want to give up or give in like there's no

[jason_louis]: 19:05

yeah

[shaun]: 19:05

guilt associated on their part they're like hey we went n't use the electoral process to vote this individual

[scott]: 19:10

oh

[shaun]: 19:10

out and the mayor of that city paid attention to that and

[jason_louis]: 19:14

oh

[shaun]: 19:14

was very aware of it and then

[scott]: 19:15

we

[shaun]: 19:15

to quote her she said we've had enough of this

[chris_sherwin]: 19:17

oh

[shaun]: 19:17

bullshit and she said that in an open press conference about the

[jason_louis]: 19:20

yeah

[shaun]: 19:20

lawlessness and the crime the

[chris_sherwin]: 19:21

m

[shaun]: 19:22

car break in is anything you could imagine like

[scott]: 19:24

yeah

[shaun]: 19:25

san francisco is a beautiful city when you go out there and see that in the central part of the state it's

[jason_louis]: 19:28

hm

[shaun]: 19:29

it's unbelievably how cool that city is but it smells like a freaking journal and sooner or later people are going to

[jason_louis]: 19:34

hm

[shaun]: 19:34

stand up and react to that even folks in l a n n and if you can take a place

[scott]: 19:38

oh

[shaun]: 19:38

as liberal or progressive

[scott]: 19:39

yeah

[shaun]: 19:40

as you want to call it at san francisco to say that people there have even reached a limit

[scott]: 19:44

yeah

[shaun]: 19:44

it can happen really anywhere

[chris_sherwin]: 19:46

yeah

[shaun]: 19:46

in california experience some of the same things that

[scott]: 19:48

oh

[shaun]: 19:48

we are because you talk to

[chris_sherwin]: 19:49

yeah

[shaun]: 19:49

people from texas or idaho or colorado and they say all these californians are coming down here like when you meet people from tennessee that

[jason_louis]: 19:56

ah

[shaun]: 19:57

why are all these people from

[scott]: 19:57

oh

[shaun]: 19:57

illinois or the people from south carolina a say why are all these ohio

[scott]: 20:00

right

[shaun]: 20:00

wins coming down here and these new yorkers

[chris_sherwin]: 20:02

my

[shaun]: 20:02

coming

[scott]: 20:03

oh

[shaun]: 20:03

down here

[jason_louis]: 20:03

yeah

[shaun]: 20:03

because all of those things don't work and you're

[scott]: 20:05

no

[shaun]: 20:05

seeing this mass migration of people

[chris_sherwin]: 20:07

right

[shaun]: 20:07

and in a lot of ways the last people they are going we're going to stake a claim on the ground and we're going to go no we're not going

[scott]: 20:12

so

[shaun]: 20:12

to move past this point we're going to stand up to it one

[scott]: 20:14

no

[shaun]: 20:14

way or the other and again when we were young

[scott]: 20:16

yeah

[shaun]: 20:16

men and we saw the riots in los

[chris_sherwin]: 20:18

yeah

[shaun]: 20:18

angeles the people that stood

[chris_sherwin]: 20:20

right

[shaun]: 20:20

at top there

[scott]: 20:21

yeah

[shaun]: 20:21

their shops were korean store keeps that shot at people that were looking over the rodney king riot so i mean people will reach a certain point and it's going

[jason_louis]: 20:29

yeah

[shaun]: 20:29

to go that way and politicians respond to people that basically vote and have power so

[scott]: 20:34

m

[shaun]: 20:34

i

[chris_sherwin]: 20:34

ye

[shaun]: 20:34

agree with jason to the fact that this is going to be a pendulum

[chris_sherwin]: 20:36

oh

[shaun]: 20:36

swing and i think it's going to go

[scott]: 20:37

hm

[shaun]: 20:37

a little bit quicker than we think and the only thing that i always worry about

[chris_sherwin]: 20:40

oh

[shaun]: 20:40

is that we were at a precipice point in our profession we could

[chris_sherwin]: 20:43

ah

[shaun]: 20:43

say people are starting to pay attention to the fact that cops are underpaid under well under

[chris_sherwin]: 20:48

i

[shaun]: 20:48

trained

[scott]: 20:48

we

[shaun]: 20:49

under resource under like

[chris_sherwin]: 20:51

yeah

[shaun]: 20:51

no money

[jason_louis]: 20:51

oh

[shaun]: 20:51

is thrown at them like you should people say that's crazy the budget of you know

[scott]: 20:55

m

[shaun]: 20:55

chicago or l or whatever is so massive but at the bottom line is is the job that they have is a massive job it really is in

[chris_sherwin]: 21:01

oh

[shaun]: 21:01

whypdis

[scott]: 21:01

hm

[shaun]: 21:01

bigger than some standing armies in the world and if you

[scott]: 21:04

oh

[shaun]: 21:04

don't

[chris_sherwin]: 21:04

oh

[shaun]: 21:04

still prepare people and train them very proper you're gonna get the same results out of what i'm afraid

[chris_sherwin]: 21:08

m

[shaun]: 21:09

of is that

[chris_sherwin]: 21:09

oh

[shaun]: 21:09

crime swinging so out of control that i was just going to go back to let's just support the police well what does that mean

[chris_sherwin]: 21:14

oh

[shaun]: 21:14

arresting

[scott]: 21:15

hm

[shaun]: 21:15

more people putting more people in jail that's not really supporting the police

[chris_sherwin]: 21:18

yeah

[shaun]: 21:18

in the fact that you're training them you're making them better prepared through scenario

[chris_sherwin]: 21:21

yeah

[shaun]: 21:21

based training um stress

[chris_sherwin]: 21:23

oh

[shaun]: 21:23

being able to be critical thinkers like we're supposed

[scott]: 21:26

what

[jason_louis]: 21:26

yeah

[shaun]: 21:26

to be as supposed to as jason said how many guys do we

[scott]: 21:29

how

[shaun]: 21:29

know

[chris_sherwin]: 21:29

oh

[shaun]: 21:29

that never paid attention to cases like you could ask a guy with ten fifteen years then tell me

[chris_sherwin]: 21:32

right

[shaun]: 21:32

the three

[jason_louis]: 21:33

yeah

[shaun]: 21:33

big case laws

[scott]: 21:33

it

[shaun]: 21:33

that you should know out here i these and they're like

[scott]: 21:35

hm

[shaun]: 21:36

miranda

[chris_sherwin]: 21:37

oh

[shaun]: 21:37

that's like everybody knows that i mean

[scott]: 21:40

yeah

[shaun]: 21:40

now

[chris_sherwin]: 21:40

oh

[shaun]: 21:40

recite miranda to me and they're

[scott]: 21:41

yeah

[shaun]: 21:42

like

[chris_sherwin]: 21:42

oh

[scott]: 21:43

yeah

[shaun]: 21:43

i know

[scott]: 21:43

yeah

[shaun]: 21:43

you have

[jason_louis]: 21:43

yeah

[shaun]: 21:44

a right to know not say anything but i don't want anybody to

[scott]: 21:46

yeah

[shaun]: 21:46

do that so

[scott]: 21:46

you know the

[shaun]: 21:47

i'm

[scott]: 21:47

thing

[shaun]: 21:47

not gonna

[chris_sherwin]: 21:47

yeah

[shaun]: 21:48

yeah that thing

[chris_sherwin]: 21:48

yeah

[shaun]: 21:48

you know that thing

[chris_sherwin]: 21:49

you have

[shaun]: 21:49

with

[chris_sherwin]: 21:49

to

[shaun]: 21:49

a

[chris_sherwin]: 21:49

write

[shaun]: 21:49

lawyer

[chris_sherwin]: 21:49

to cable

[shaun]: 21:49

and all

[chris_sherwin]: 21:50

t v you have to

[shaun]: 21:50

and

[chris_sherwin]: 21:50

write

[shaun]: 21:50

again

[chris_sherwin]: 21:51

to

[shaun]: 21:51

i'm

[chris_sherwin]: 21:51

two

[shaun]: 21:51

not

[chris_sherwin]: 21:51

park

[shaun]: 21:51

knocking cops

[chris_sherwin]: 21:51

a bar

[shaun]: 21:52

but like any other profession people can become lazy with it because they think they're untouchable

[chris_sherwin]: 21:56

right

[shaun]: 21:56

and they think that they can't be fired

[scott]: 21:58

m

[shaun]: 21:58

and things like this and now with the advent of video

[chris_sherwin]: 22:00

oh

[shaun]: 22:00

he's

[scott]: 22:00

oh

[shaun]: 22:00

right it's we talked about it on the body work body worn camera quick hit episode three that we

[chris_sherwin]: 22:06

right

[shaun]: 22:06

did

[scott]: 22:06

m

[shaun]: 22:06

we talked about now it's going to make

[scott]: 22:07

oh

[shaun]: 22:07

everybody be a whole lot more professional in the way that they're doing dealing with

[scott]: 22:11

oh

[shaun]: 22:11

the police and the other thing about

[chris_sherwin]: 22:13

oh

[shaun]: 22:13

this is let's just be straight people are pissed at their government

[scott]: 22:15

m

[shaun]: 22:16

and who from your government

[chris_sherwin]: 22:16

oh

[jason_louis]: 22:16

ah

[shaun]: 22:17

comes and says you have to

[scott]: 22:18

m

[shaun]: 22:18

do this because if you don't i will use force to stop you from doing

[chris_sherwin]: 22:21

it

[shaun]: 22:21

it or make you do it

[chris_sherwin]: 22:22

right

[shaun]: 22:22

social workers don't do that ship you know people that work

[scott]: 22:25

hm

[shaun]: 22:25

for d c

[chris_sherwin]: 22:26

oh

[shaun]: 22:26

f s for people that work for code they don't do that stuff they can find you but the bottom line is the person that's gonna take

[scott]: 22:31

right

[shaun]: 22:31

away your

[scott]: 22:31

oh

[shaun]: 22:31

freedom is a cop

[chris_sherwin]: 22:33

right

[shaun]: 22:33

and people are pissed at their government

[scott]: 22:34

m

[shaun]: 22:34

on both sides is so we're dealing with

[scott]: 22:36

hm

[shaun]: 22:36

a lot of that ship on top of it to that

[chris_sherwin]: 22:38

yeah

[shaun]: 22:38

point um i honestly think that we're going to be tested in ways that we've

[chris_sherwin]: 22:42

m

[shaun]: 22:42

never been tested or as a profession

[chris_sherwin]: 22:44

no doubt no

[scott]: 22:45

no

[chris_sherwin]: 22:45

doubt

[shaun]: 22:45

i think that we are going

[chris_sherwin]: 22:47

yeah

[shaun]: 22:47

to have to

[scott]: 22:47

no

[shaun]: 22:47

police each

[chris_sherwin]: 22:48

a

[shaun]: 22:48

other on a level that is

[jason_louis]: 22:50

oh

[shaun]: 22:50

has never been experienced before

[jason_louis]: 22:52

ye

[chris_sherwin]: 22:52

ah

[shaun]: 22:52

in law enforcement it may be any profession

[scott]: 22:54

yeah

[shaun]: 22:55

where right and wrong has to

[chris_sherwin]: 22:56

oh

[shaun]: 22:56

be decided i mean you'd have to go back to venom or something like that where you talk

[scott]: 22:59

yeah

[shaun]: 22:59

about something this paramount where people were like we're goin to burn down this

[chris_sherwin]: 23:02

oh

[shaun]: 23:02

villa and we're gonna rave and pillage people and people have to stand up and say this is wrong to guys

[chris_sherwin]: 23:06

oh

[scott]: 23:06

yeah

[shaun]: 23:06

that they almost fought and died with against an enemy it's really really much

[chris_sherwin]: 23:09

oh

[shaun]: 23:09

harder than it is and that leads us into our next topic with them when talking about the duty

[chris_sherwin]: 23:13

ah

[shaun]: 23:13

to intervene

[scott]: 23:13

oh

[shaun]: 23:13

amongst police officers and the challenges that we face and deal with it in the training that jason does um and the things that

[chris_sherwin]: 23:19

oh

[shaun]: 23:19

he talks about and i

[scott]: 23:21

ah

[shaun]: 23:21

think it's really interesting to augment

[chris_sherwin]: 23:22

yeah

[shaun]: 23:22

into that now and talk about like now you know the table has been set as what we're dealing with with his pendulum

[scott]: 23:26

m

[shaun]: 23:26

and but there's still expectations that we should have and the public

[chris_sherwin]: 23:29

yeah

[shaun]: 23:29

should have of us and then if we don't we're going to be on video tape

[chris_sherwin]: 23:32

oh

[shaun]: 23:32

recording tape

[scott]: 23:33

i

[shaun]: 23:33

obviously tell old

[chris_sherwin]: 23:34

ah

[shaun]: 23:34

i am um but

[scott]: 23:35

m

[shaun]: 23:35

the bottom

[chris_sherwin]: 23:36

oh

[shaun]: 23:36

line is is jason

[chris_sherwin]: 23:37

ye

[shaun]: 23:37

can you explain a little bit what duty intervene

[scott]: 23:38

yeh

[shaun]: 23:38

means and some of the some of the things that around that and then training why it's so important we'll talk about some important case

[scott]: 23:44

m

[shaun]: 23:44

that people can reference to

[scott]: 23:45

m

[shaun]: 23:45

understand what we're talking

[scott]: 23:46

m

[shaun]: 23:46

about

[scott]: 23:47

h

[jason_louis]: 23:48

yeah

[scott]: 23:48

yeah

[jason_louis]: 23:48

duty intervene is just stopping somebody's somebody's behavior right

[shaun]: 23:52

yeah

[jason_louis]: 23:52

that's inappropriate and

[scott]: 23:54

oh

[jason_louis]: 23:55

so uh

[scott]: 23:56

oh

[jason_louis]: 23:56

you know it's

[shaun]: 23:57

no

[jason_louis]: 23:57

a it's a bad that's a broad

[shaun]: 23:58

oh

[jason_louis]: 23:58

that's a broad top um but

[shaun]: 24:00

oh

[jason_louis]: 24:02

it's it's

[scott]: 24:04

oh

[jason_louis]: 24:04

important that officers understand that today you are on camera

[scott]: 24:08

oh

[jason_louis]: 24:08

everywhere you go

[scott]: 24:09

yeah

[jason_louis]: 24:10

everywhere

[shaun]: 24:10

hm

[jason_louis]: 24:10

it doesn't matter if it's your body

[shaun]: 24:12

that

[chris_sherwin]: 24:12

m

[jason_louis]: 24:12

camera that's on

[shaun]: 24:12

yeah

[jason_louis]: 24:12

it tdoesn't matter if there's

[shaun]: 24:14

yea

[jason_louis]: 24:14

a citizen holding a video camera

[shaun]: 24:15

m

[jason_louis]: 24:16

in your face

[chris_sherwin]: 24:16

oh

[jason_louis]: 24:17

there's

[scott]: 24:17

hm

[jason_louis]: 24:17

also

[shaun]: 24:17

oh

[jason_louis]: 24:18

security

[chris_sherwin]: 24:18

oh

[jason_louis]: 24:18

cameras on houses

[scott]: 24:19

no

[jason_louis]: 24:19

there's a

[shaun]: 24:19

yeah

[jason_louis]: 24:19

t m machines can as are absolutely

[shaun]: 24:22

oh

[jason_louis]: 24:22

everywhere

[scott]: 24:23

yeah

[jason_louis]: 24:24

and it's not

[shaun]: 24:24

okay

[jason_louis]: 24:25

that it's not that when we see officers not intervening that it's because there they're wanting

[shaun]: 24:30

oh

[jason_louis]: 24:30

to

[scott]: 24:30

why

[jason_louis]: 24:30

be a part of something wrong

[shaun]: 24:32

oh

[jason_louis]: 24:32

i believe most of the time it's because

[shaun]: 24:34

ye

[jason_louis]: 24:34

they haven't prepared

[shaun]: 24:35

yeah

[jason_louis]: 24:35

themselves mentally for actually

[shaun]: 24:39

m

[jason_louis]: 24:39

intervening

[scott]: 24:40

uh

[jason_louis]: 24:40

intervening

[shaun]: 24:40

oh

[jason_louis]: 24:41

in a real scenario

[scott]: 24:41

h

[jason_louis]: 24:42

right

[scott]: 24:42

right

[jason_louis]: 24:42

because it's

[shaun]: 24:43

hm

[jason_louis]: 24:43

really easy

[scott]: 24:43

oh

[jason_louis]: 24:44

it's

[chris_sherwin]: 24:44

eh

[jason_louis]: 24:44

really easy to hypothetically say yes

[scott]: 24:46

ah

[shaun]: 24:47

eh

[jason_louis]: 24:48

we need to intervene when we see somebody using excessive

[shaun]: 24:50

yeah

[jason_louis]: 24:51

force

[scott]: 24:52

oh

[jason_louis]: 24:52

and i certainly

[shaun]: 24:53

m

[jason_louis]: 24:53

will do that but then it's out of your mind because

[scott]: 24:56

right

[jason_louis]: 24:56

how often how often do you see excessive force i mean

[scott]: 24:59

right

[shaun]: 24:59

honestly

[jason_louis]: 25:00

it

[shaun]: 25:00

rarely

[jason_louis]: 25:00

it's just use of force alone is

[scott]: 25:04

no

[jason_louis]: 25:04

exceptionally rare

[chris_sherwin]: 25:05

yeah

[jason_louis]: 25:05

in an officer's

[scott]: 25:06

yeah

[shaun]: 25:06

m

[jason_louis]: 25:07

career right in in the time

[chris_sherwin]: 25:08

yeah

[jason_louis]: 25:09

line it's below

[scott]: 25:09

yeah

[jason_louis]: 25:10

one percent for

[chris_sherwin]: 25:11

hm

[scott]: 25:11

yes

[jason_louis]: 25:11

virtually every agency

[chris_sherwin]: 25:12

m

[jason_louis]: 25:13

below

[shaun]: 25:13

yeah

[jason_louis]: 25:14

for police contacts

[chris_sherwin]: 25:15

m

[shaun]: 25:16

m

[jason_louis]: 25:16

throw in their

[scott]: 25:16

oh

[jason_louis]: 25:17

excessive use of force

[chris_sherwin]: 25:18

m

[jason_louis]: 25:18

actually seeing your partner actually

[shaun]: 25:21

yeah

[jason_louis]: 25:21

you know

[scott]: 25:21

right

[jason_louis]: 25:21

go ing hands on with somebody when

[chris_sherwin]: 25:23

m

[jason_louis]: 25:23

they shouldn't

[scott]: 25:23

yeah

[shaun]: 25:23

oh

[jason_louis]: 25:23

be that's a shock in

[shaun]: 25:25

right

[jason_louis]: 25:25

your mind

[shaun]: 25:26

right

[jason_louis]: 25:26

it can be a shock in your mind and if you haven't prepared for that it's going

[scott]: 25:31

m

[jason_louis]: 25:31

to take

[chris_sherwin]: 25:31

ah

[jason_louis]: 25:31

you a few seconds to act to react and

[shaun]: 25:34

yeah

[jason_louis]: 25:34

that few seconds could be the difference between

[scott]: 25:36

yeah

[jason_louis]: 25:37

getting wrapped up in that situation and being prosecuted

[chris_sherwin]: 25:40

m

[jason_louis]: 25:41

and sued and

[shaun]: 25:42

yeah

[jason_louis]: 25:42

losing your job

[chris_sherwin]: 25:43

oh

[scott]: 25:43

oh

[jason_louis]: 25:43

and public shaming

[chris_sherwin]: 25:44

yeah

[shaun]: 25:45

yes

[jason_louis]: 25:46

or not none of that it so uh

[scott]: 25:49

oh

[jason_louis]: 25:50

to me preparation in your mind and

[chris_sherwin]: 25:52

oh

[jason_louis]: 25:52

having a mental map already

[shaun]: 25:53

m

[jason_louis]: 25:54

ready to go is the most

[shaun]: 25:55

ye

[scott]: 25:55

ah

[jason_louis]: 25:55

essential thing

[chris_sherwin]: 25:56

m

[jason_louis]: 25:56

when it comes to

[scott]: 25:57

m

[jason_louis]: 25:57

the duty to interview

[shaun]: 25:59

yeah

[scott]: 25:59

ah

[shaun]: 25:59

and

[chris_sherwin]: 25:59

yeah

[shaun]: 25:59

and and like you said you talked

[chris_sherwin]: 26:01

oh

[shaun]: 26:01

about some of the training that goes

[scott]: 26:02

ye

[shaun]: 26:02

into this like you used to be like a class from type thing they talk about

[chris_sherwin]: 26:05

m

[shaun]: 26:05

you know know you say things to us like

[scott]: 26:07

yeah

[shaun]: 26:08

you now act as if your grandma was

[chris_sherwin]: 26:09

oh

[shaun]: 26:09

watching you or would you do that

[chris_sherwin]: 26:11

oh

[shaun]: 26:11

in front of you know

[jason_louis]: 26:12

ah

[scott]: 26:12

right

[shaun]: 26:12

your your or whatever

[chris_sherwin]: 26:13

oh

[shaun]: 26:13

and

[scott]: 26:13

eh

[shaun]: 26:14

we'd all sit there and go of course i wouldn't

[chris_sherwin]: 26:15

yeah

[shaun]: 26:15

d hat whatever and then you get out there and you go how did that happen like because

[jason_louis]: 26:18

yeah

[shaun]: 26:19

it was in a class room and i sat there was

[scott]: 26:20

right

[shaun]: 26:20

a lecture and everybody knows that

[jason_louis]: 26:22

right

[shaun]: 26:22

everybody if they're paying attention this is pre celphonelike the level that

[scott]: 26:25

it

[shaun]: 26:25

we

[scott]: 26:25

was

[shaun]: 26:25

got

[scott]: 26:25

in an

[shaun]: 26:26

it

[scott]: 26:26

interview you know it's like

[shaun]: 26:27

right

[chris_sherwin]: 26:27

or

[shaun]: 26:27

it's like

[scott]: 26:27

what would you do what yeah like like a supervisor interview or

[jason_louis]: 26:30

um

[scott]: 26:30

interview for anything what

[shaun]: 26:32

yeah

[scott]: 26:32

what you do officer if you saw someone you know another officer

[shaun]: 26:35

yeah it's

[scott]: 26:35

doing

[shaun]: 26:35

like

[scott]: 26:35

this

[shaun]: 26:35

asking

[scott]: 26:35

well i'd

[shaun]: 26:35

you

[scott]: 26:36

stop

[shaun]: 26:36

like

[scott]: 26:36

i'd

[shaun]: 26:36

you

[scott]: 26:36

stop

[jason_louis]: 26:36

oh

[scott]: 26:36

him from doing it i mean

[chris_sherwin]: 26:37

right

[shaun]: 26:37

yeah

[scott]: 26:38

of course you'd say i mean you say it in an interview but to your

[jason_louis]: 26:40

h

[scott]: 26:40

point how often is it really getting

[shaun]: 26:42

yeah

[scott]: 26:42

put in front of you where you get in

[jason_louis]: 26:44

oh

[scott]: 26:44

a situate and like that

[shaun]: 26:45

and then the shock of the

[chris_sherwin]: 26:46

oh

[shaun]: 26:46

incident like let's say now we've moved forward like

[chris_sherwin]: 26:49

m

[shaun]: 26:49

we have with scenario based training but the scenario

[scott]: 26:51

oh

[shaun]: 26:51

base training was always geared towards

[chris_sherwin]: 26:52

ye

[shaun]: 26:53

taking control of the role player that was the subject that was out of control

[chris_sherwin]: 26:56

oh

[shaun]: 26:57

subject that was doing

[scott]: 26:57

oh

[shaun]: 26:57

something that we needed

[jason_louis]: 26:58

yeah

[shaun]: 26:58

to deal with and we never threw into the scenario

[scott]: 27:00

oh

[shaun]: 27:00

like all right let's go ahead

[chris_sherwin]: 27:02

oh

[shaun]: 27:02

until the very end of my career

[chris_sherwin]: 27:04

yeah

[shaun]: 27:04

back in illinois did we start doing scenario base training

[chris_sherwin]: 27:06

oh

[shaun]: 27:06

we we're going to have an officer acting out of control and it was

[scott]: 27:10

hm

[shaun]: 27:10

really hard

[jason_louis]: 27:10

hm

[shaun]: 27:10

to get officers to want to do that as role players

[chris_sherwin]: 27:13

oh

[shaun]: 27:13

like you have

[jason_louis]: 27:14

yeah

[shaun]: 27:14

to do it with people like okay whatever so we had to get

[chris_sherwin]: 27:16

oh

[shaun]: 27:16

basically used in turns as actors to say all right you need to

[scott]: 27:19

it

[shaun]: 27:19

be this is the script you have to rehearse this you have to be prepared you have

[chris_sherwin]: 27:23

yeah

[shaun]: 27:23

to do this and we

[scott]: 27:24

yeah

[shaun]: 27:24

have to watch officers be prepared do this and your watch guys can go

[chris_sherwin]: 27:26

oh

[shaun]: 27:26

is bullshit man i ain't goin t do it but then

[scott]: 27:28

yeah

[shaun]: 27:28

what you started to see was guys

[chris_sherwin]: 27:30

oh

[shaun]: 27:30

out on the street would do the same exact thing because

[scott]: 27:32

yeah

[shaun]: 27:32

at least

[jason_louis]: 27:32

oh

[shaun]: 27:32

their mind they've done

[chris_sherwin]: 27:33

yeah

[shaun]: 27:33

the dance steps they've walked though and say

[scott]: 27:35

hm

[shaun]: 27:35

hey this is an expectation

[chris_sherwin]: 27:36

m

[shaun]: 27:36

and i was rewarded for doing this but prior to that

[scott]: 27:39

oh

[shaun]: 27:39

for probably close to eighteen nineteen years

[chris_sherwin]: 27:42

oh

[shaun]: 27:42

of us training we never did anything where the officer which

[scott]: 27:44

oh

[shaun]: 27:44

could be perceived

[chris_sherwin]: 27:45

oh

[shaun]: 27:45

as wrong

[scott]: 27:46

oh

[shaun]: 27:46

and where we had an obligation to maybe

[chris_sherwin]: 27:48

m

[shaun]: 27:48

step

[scott]: 27:48

yeah

[shaun]: 27:49

in and do something with that so in

[chris_sherwin]: 27:50

m

[shaun]: 27:50

that in

[scott]: 27:51

yeah

[shaun]: 27:51

that and to jason's point

[jason_louis]: 27:52

ah

[scott]: 27:53

i

[shaun]: 27:53

the problem is is that

[scott]: 27:54

oh

[shaun]: 27:54

if you've never seen it

[chris_sherwin]: 27:55

m

[shaun]: 27:55

you've never pictured it in your mind eye never can execute and when you

[chris_sherwin]: 27:58

yeah

[shaun]: 27:58

see it you're almost like shocked like holy ship i'm rolled up

[scott]: 28:01

we

[shaun]: 28:01

in the

[scott]: 28:01

have

[shaun]: 28:01

middle of this

[scott]: 28:01

what's

[shaun]: 28:01

now

[scott]: 28:01

happening yeah

[shaun]: 28:02

what's

[chris_sherwin]: 28:02

right

[shaun]: 28:02

going on

[scott]: 28:02

right

[shaun]: 28:03

now and i have to protect him i have to protect myself

[chris_sherwin]: 28:04

yes

[shaun]: 28:05

i'm thinking

[scott]: 28:05

ye

[shaun]: 28:05

about my family now i'm a rat now

[jason_louis]: 28:07

yeah

[shaun]: 28:07

i'm all

[chris_sherwin]: 28:07

oh

[shaun]: 28:07

of these things an what's happening and then how

[jason_louis]: 28:10

yeah

[shaun]: 28:10

is the

[chris_sherwin]: 28:11

oh

[shaun]: 28:11

organization going

[jason_louis]: 28:12

my

[shaun]: 28:12

to handle it to protect the reputation of the city and the product that they

[chris_sherwin]: 28:16

yeah

[shaun]: 28:16

have you know they don't want their

[jason_louis]: 28:17

yah

[shaun]: 28:17

city to burn because this is what's going on and video and uh you know

[scott]: 28:21

oh

[shaun]: 28:21

all of that has kind of taken it to a new level but again we've got all the tools but we never really prepared officers

[scott]: 28:25

yeah

[shaun]: 28:26

mentally for that can you

[chris_sherwin]: 28:27

yeah

[shaun]: 28:27

talk a little bit about go ahead chris i'm sorry

[chris_sherwin]: 28:29

but but but here's the other thing before you as your question like

[scott]: 28:32

i

[chris_sherwin]: 28:33

for me

[shaun]: 28:33

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 28:34

it was almost natural for me and i because i grew up in chicago and you know i was

[shaun]: 28:39

ah

[chris_sherwin]: 28:39

witnessed to a lot of fights and involved a lot of fights because of where i had to go

[shaun]: 28:42

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 28:42

and stuff like that but for me

[scott]: 28:44

like

[chris_sherwin]: 28:44

it was almost you know natural

[shaun]: 28:46

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 28:46

like all right hey it's enough to hit the ground

[shaun]: 28:48

a

[chris_sherwin]: 28:48

that's it we're done call

[shaun]: 28:49

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 28:49

it you know

[scott]: 28:50

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 28:50

but but here i don't know if it's because like you hear this last one the one in minnesota where is like the officers were afraid to intervene because they were brand new

[scott]: 29:00

no

[chris_sherwin]: 29:00

so i don't

[jason_louis]: 29:01

yeah

[shaun]: 29:02

shavin

[chris_sherwin]: 29:02

i just i

[shaun]: 29:03

shavin

[chris_sherwin]: 29:03

just

[shaun]: 29:03

and george floyd you're talking right

[chris_sherwin]: 29:04

yeah yeah so

[shaun]: 29:05

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 29:05

i don't know if it's

[scott]: 29:06

i don't know

[chris_sherwin]: 29:07

like

[shaun]: 29:07

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 29:08

because people haven't

[shaun]: 29:09

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 29:09

seen fights been involved in fights seen violence but volyouknow vince

[jason_louis]: 29:12

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 29:12

they don't like you know i don't know

[shaun]: 29:14

ah

[chris_sherwin]: 29:14

at i mean

[scott]: 29:14

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 29:14

not to make a joke but like hack like when it hits the ice it's over type of thing and and you know and you just kind of see

[shaun]: 29:20

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 29:20

that and it's just like i don't know why it's

[scott]: 29:22

on

[chris_sherwin]: 29:22

not natural to like hey bro we're done let's go he's you know i got him he's cut

[scott]: 29:26

m

[chris_sherwin]: 29:27

you know go

[scott]: 29:27

m

[chris_sherwin]: 29:27

take a breather

[jason_louis]: 29:28

ye

[chris_sherwin]: 29:28

i just

[shaun]: 29:28

right

[chris_sherwin]: 29:28

don't i don't understand why it's gotten worse instead

[shaun]: 29:30

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 29:30

of you know better

[shaun]: 29:31

m

[jason_louis]: 29:32

i think there's a lot

[shaun]: 29:32

ah

[jason_louis]: 29:33

of reasons for that the most the most important one is our training is

[shaun]: 29:37

yeah

[jason_louis]: 29:37

terribly

[scott]: 29:38

yeah

[jason_louis]: 29:38

inadequate

[chris_sherwin]: 29:38

yeah

[jason_louis]: 29:38

i mean

[shaun]: 29:39

right

[chris_sherwin]: 29:40

yeah

[jason_louis]: 29:40

it's so far it's so

[chris_sherwin]: 29:41

oh

[jason_louis]: 29:41

far below what is actual he needed for this profession that what happens

[shaun]: 29:46

h

[jason_louis]: 29:46

is people get out into the

[scott]: 29:48

out

[shaun]: 29:48

h

[jason_louis]: 29:48

street

[shaun]: 29:48

yeah

[jason_louis]: 29:48

and

[scott]: 29:48

oh

[jason_louis]: 29:48

and they rely on the senior

[shaun]: 29:50

m

[jason_louis]: 29:50

officers to guide them

[shaun]: 29:52

hm

[jason_louis]: 29:53

for what to do right and

[scott]: 29:54

right

[jason_louis]: 29:54

so when you're on scene

[scott]: 29:55

oh

[jason_louis]: 29:56

and you're fairly new

[shaun]: 29:57

m

[jason_louis]: 29:57

one to five years on and there's people

[shaun]: 29:59

oh

[jason_louis]: 30:00

with

[scott]: 30:00

yah

[jason_louis]: 30:00

fifteen years on twenty

[shaun]: 30:01

m

[jason_louis]: 30:02

years on

[scott]: 30:03

oh

[jason_louis]: 30:03

h and they're

[shaun]: 30:04

yes

[jason_louis]: 30:04

doing something you're going to be unsure of yourself

[chris_sherwin]: 30:07

oh

[shaun]: 30:07

right

[jason_louis]: 30:08

especially

[shaun]: 30:08

yeah

[jason_louis]: 30:08

when you got to make a split second decision you're going to be unsure of yourself that

[scott]: 30:12

yeah

[jason_louis]: 30:12

this person who's your trainer

[chris_sherwin]: 30:14

m

[jason_louis]: 30:14

is

[shaun]: 30:14

yes

[jason_louis]: 30:15

wrong

[shaun]: 30:15

oh

[jason_louis]: 30:16

and you're right

[scott]: 30:16

yeah

[jason_louis]: 30:18

because the amount

[scott]: 30:18

oh

[jason_louis]: 30:19

of training we have isn't enough to make you confident in the decisions that you're making uh

[scott]: 30:24

oh

[jason_louis]: 30:24

it's not enough to prepare you for defensive tactics defensive

[shaun]: 30:26

oh

[jason_louis]: 30:27

tactics training is i mean i can't even tell you

[shaun]: 30:30

a

[jason_louis]: 30:30

how underwhelming

[scott]: 30:31

yeah

[jason_louis]: 30:31

it is for

[chris_sherwin]: 30:32

right

[jason_louis]: 30:32

law

[shaun]: 30:32

yeah

[jason_louis]: 30:32

enforcement

[shaun]: 30:33

right

[scott]: 30:33

yeah

[jason_louis]: 30:35

and so those things don't prepare

[shaun]: 30:37

oh

[jason_louis]: 30:37

a newer officer to say no

[scott]: 30:39

well

[jason_louis]: 30:39

this is wrong and i am going to step in

[scott]: 30:42

yeah and

[shaun]: 30:43

right

[scott]: 30:43

i don't remember anything

[shaun]: 30:44

m

[scott]: 30:45

even

[shaun]: 30:45

oh

[scott]: 30:46

in the academy even touching

[shaun]: 30:47

yeah

[scott]: 30:47

on that again maybe

[jason_louis]: 30:48

yeah

[scott]: 30:48

there was probably some

[shaun]: 30:50

oh

[scott]: 30:50

class room training or something

[shaun]: 30:51

yeah

[scott]: 30:52

somewhere along those lines during that time where they said talked about that

[shaun]: 30:55

yeah

[scott]: 30:55

you know what you would do

[shaun]: 30:56

yeah

[scott]: 30:56

in a situation like that but i mean even

[shaun]: 30:59

ye

[scott]: 30:59

with all the scenarios an

[shaun]: 31:00

yet

[scott]: 31:01

we did a lot of scenario stuff

[jason_louis]: 31:02

yeah

[scott]: 31:02

in the academy

[shaun]: 31:03

yes

[scott]: 31:03

probably not a bad idea to maybe start getting out in front

[shaun]: 31:06

ah

[scott]: 31:06

of that even that early in the academy

[jason_louis]: 31:07

yeah

[scott]: 31:07

throw

[chris_sherwin]: 31:08

right

[scott]: 31:08

a scenario like that to the

[jason_louis]: 31:09

yeah

[scott]: 31:09

recruits and say hey and make it you know

[chris_sherwin]: 31:12

oh

[scott]: 31:12

make it a situation

[shaun]: 31:13

m

[scott]: 31:14

where your other role player is the fifteen year veteran or he's your f to you know

[chris_sherwin]: 31:19

oh

[scott]: 31:19

someone who you're to

[shaun]: 31:20

is

[scott]: 31:20

your point you'd be a little more

[shaun]: 31:22

m

[scott]: 31:22

apprehensive

[shaun]: 31:22

yes

[scott]: 31:23

about saying something even if

[jason_louis]: 31:24

m

[scott]: 31:24

you know that it's wrong put them in that position

[shaun]: 31:26

oh

[scott]: 31:26

and see how they react and and really

[chris_sherwin]: 31:28

oh

[scott]: 31:29

give them some scenario based training to

[chris_sherwin]: 31:32

oh

[scott]: 31:32

feel what it's like to go through a situation like that

[shaun]: 31:35

oh

[jason_louis]: 31:35

yeah you probably had some

[scott]: 31:36

m

[jason_louis]: 31:36

level of intervention training academically

[chris_sherwin]: 31:39

yeah

[scott]: 31:39

hm

[jason_louis]: 31:39

in use of

[scott]: 31:40

right

[jason_louis]: 31:40

force in the academy

[scott]: 31:41

yeah

[jason_louis]: 31:42

um and we

[scott]: 31:43

oh

[jason_louis]: 31:43

used

[chris_sherwin]: 31:43

ah

[jason_louis]: 31:43

to do it just that way too

[scott]: 31:44

we

[jason_louis]: 31:44

but i wanted to i wanted to make i wanted to build that mental map in our recruits mind so what we started

[shaun]: 31:49

yeah

[jason_louis]: 31:49

doing was touring defensive tactics training

[shaun]: 31:53

yeah

[jason_louis]: 31:53

unbeknown

[scott]: 31:53

oh

[jason_louis]: 31:54

to the well pull some recruits up and

[shaun]: 31:56

eh

[jason_louis]: 31:56

they'll start demonstrating a technique and then we will have the other recruit to jump in

[shaun]: 32:00

yeah

[jason_louis]: 32:00

and start using

[chris_sherwin]: 32:01

yeah

[jason_louis]: 32:01

excessive force completely

[scott]: 32:02

oh

[jason_louis]: 32:02

out

[scott]: 32:02

really

[jason_louis]: 32:02

of the

[scott]: 32:03

yeah

[jason_louis]: 32:03

blue yeah

[scott]: 32:03

yeah yeah

[jason_louis]: 32:04

and

[shaun]: 32:04

yeah

[jason_louis]: 32:05

so it really builds they start the first time it's a shock and then

[shaun]: 32:09

yeah

[scott]: 32:09

oh

[jason_louis]: 32:09

it

[scott]: 32:09

yeah

[jason_louis]: 32:09

happens

[scott]: 32:09

yeah

[jason_louis]: 32:09

to them

[shaun]: 32:09

yes

[jason_louis]: 32:10

again and then happen so they gain and again and then they know

[scott]: 32:12

yeah

[jason_louis]: 32:13

they start

[shaun]: 32:13

oh

[jason_louis]: 32:13

to know

[scott]: 32:13

yeah

[jason_louis]: 32:14

what what to do and

[chris_sherwin]: 32:15

m

[jason_louis]: 32:15

so we're building that in much

[scott]: 32:17

that's

[jason_louis]: 32:17

earlier

[scott]: 32:17

good

[jason_louis]: 32:17

than we used to

[scott]: 32:18

yeah

[jason_louis]: 32:19

yeah

[shaun]: 32:19

yeah i mean it's definitely it's definitely tough because there's so much to it like sports like chris brought

[chris_sherwin]: 32:25

yeah

[shaun]: 32:25

out like an hockin things like that like

[scott]: 32:27

oh

[shaun]: 32:27

hockey it's you know

[chris_sherwin]: 32:29

ah

[shaun]: 32:29

to be honest

[scott]: 32:29

ah

[shaun]: 32:30

with you the the idea of the enforcer

[jason_louis]: 32:31

yeah

[shaun]: 32:31

is i am not even the guy that

[jason_louis]: 32:33

oh

[shaun]: 32:33

got hit i'm the guy

[chris_sherwin]: 32:34

ah

[shaun]: 32:34

that's going to hit somebody that hit

[jason_louis]: 32:35

it

[shaun]: 32:35

somebody

[chris_sherwin]: 32:35

right

[shaun]: 32:35

else and

[jason_louis]: 32:36

yeah

[shaun]: 32:36

everyone cheers and goes crazy for that and loves

[scott]: 32:39

yeah

[shaun]: 32:39

to see that everybody gets their phones

[chris_sherwin]: 32:40

oh

[shaun]: 32:40

out on the street when people

[jason_louis]: 32:41

right

[shaun]: 32:41

are fighting and when police

[chris_sherwin]: 32:43

oh

[shaun]: 32:43

officers now

[scott]: 32:44

oh

[shaun]: 32:44

step out of that world and step into our world we're expected to be these arbiters of that and remove all of the primal instincts that we have situation and like you cloister

[chris_sherwin]: 32:52

oh

[jason_louis]: 32:52

m

[shaun]: 32:53

a group of people like cops and constantly

[scott]: 32:54

oh

[shaun]: 32:55

make them feel the only other people that they can rely on our cops

[scott]: 32:57

yeah yeah

[shaun]: 32:57

that's going to be a hard mentality to break from people an adjacon's

[scott]: 33:00

oh

[shaun]: 33:01

point

[jason_louis]: 33:01

yeah

[shaun]: 33:01

for our listeners

[chris_sherwin]: 33:02

ah

[shaun]: 33:02

this is where money needs

[chris_sherwin]: 33:03

yeah

[shaun]: 33:03

to go it doesn't need to go like let's off fer a guy a twenty thousand dollars signing bones just because we need cop so badly

[chris_sherwin]: 33:08

ah

[shaun]: 33:08

what is the quality of the individual that you're getting put that twenty thousand dollars that yu're goin to ask for eighty guys that you're trying to get a hold of into better scenario based training i'm not saying that we don't need cops and i'm

[chris_sherwin]: 33:18

oh

[shaun]: 33:18

not saying

[scott]: 33:18

yeah

[shaun]: 33:18

that it's a bad time

[scott]: 33:20

oh

[shaun]: 33:20

to be recruiting it's tough it's really hard every agency

[chris_sherwin]: 33:22

oh

[shaun]: 33:22

in america is really struggling to get people because of

[scott]: 33:24

yeah

[shaun]: 33:24

the mentality that put to that point you make people feel good about

[chris_sherwin]: 33:27

m

[shaun]: 33:27

those things like hey i'm going to walk away

[chris_sherwin]: 33:29

ah

[shaun]: 33:29

from this and i'm not saying

[scott]: 33:31

hm

[shaun]: 33:31

turn

[jason_louis]: 33:31

yeah

[shaun]: 33:31

everybody into soccer players where we're flopping everywhere we go and everybody goes crazy for that like you're barely touched but in the same

[chris_sherwin]: 33:37

yeah

[shaun]: 33:37

sense it's like we come from a society that was formed

[chris_sherwin]: 33:40

ah

[shaun]: 33:40

in violence i mean we really were most societies are like for people to get what they want and then we we you go

[scott]: 33:46

a

[shaun]: 33:46

to a sporting event we've

[scott]: 33:47

yeah

[shaun]: 33:47

talked about this watch how people cheer get involved in it what's going on if you don't handle yourself as a police officer in the ship you got people cajoling you telling

[chris_sherwin]: 33:55

yeah

[shaun]: 33:55

you you're a

[scott]: 33:56

oh

[shaun]: 33:56

you know you are this you're

[jason_louis]: 33:57

yeah

[shaun]: 33:57

that whatever um you know everything out there the other part of there's prime and i'm just going to be straight with you more and more women are coming into this work i mean look i know that women

[scott]: 34:07

oh

[shaun]: 34:07

can handle this women can handle the job this is my next statement is not going to be anything other than if somebody is picking on my brow and somebody was picking on my sister i would handle the one the picking on my sister way different than the one i would handle picking on my brother

[scott]: 34:19

a

[shaun]: 34:19

i look at my brother and be like hey bo you gotta get up you got to deal with this unless there was something severely wrong with my brother and he couldn't defend himself

[scott]: 34:26

no

[shaun]: 34:26

my sis it's a totally different animal i speak from practical experience

[scott]: 34:28

you

[shaun]: 34:29

those are the kind of things that really bother us when french died in chicago that at a

[chris_sherwin]: 34:33

m

[shaun]: 34:33

massive outpouring compared to other

[scott]: 34:35

yeah

[shaun]: 34:35

officers that were

[chris_sherwin]: 34:36

yeah

[shaun]: 34:36

mail officers that

[scott]: 34:37

oh

[shaun]: 34:37

were killed doing the same thing and those are some of the things that people don't

[scott]: 34:40

h

[shaun]: 34:40

realize that our

[scott]: 34:40

yeah

[shaun]: 34:41

world is changing but you can't change

[scott]: 34:43

oh

[shaun]: 34:43

humanity

[chris_sherwin]: 34:43

oh

[shaun]: 34:44

on a dime like that the pendulum swimming back in our behalf but

[chris_sherwin]: 34:47

oh

[shaun]: 34:47

the

[scott]: 34:47

yeah

[shaun]: 34:47

bottom line is is that some of these things that we're talking about

[scott]: 34:51

a

[shaun]: 34:51

are not

[chris_sherwin]: 34:51

we

[shaun]: 34:51

just as simple as

[scott]: 34:52

m

[shaun]: 34:52

a training class is in a scenario

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m

[shaun]: 34:54

and

[chris_sherwin]: 34:55

oh

[scott]: 34:55

no

[shaun]: 34:55

you know those

[jason_louis]: 34:56

yeah

[shaun]: 34:56

things but if you do them once a year it's going to continue to be a problem

[scott]: 34:59

right

[jason_louis]: 34:59

yeah

[shaun]: 35:00

if you're

[chris_sherwin]: 35:00

right

[shaun]: 35:00

not training that over

[scott]: 35:01

ah

[shaun]: 35:01

and over and over again and

[jason_louis]: 35:02

hm

[shaun]: 35:03

staffing

[chris_sherwin]: 35:03

right

[shaun]: 35:03

staffing appropriately

[jason_louis]: 35:04

yeah

[shaun]: 35:04

for training because that's

[chris_sherwin]: 35:05

eh

[shaun]: 35:05

a

[scott]: 35:05

yeah

[shaun]: 35:05

whole other issue you're worried about

[chris_sherwin]: 35:07

what

[shaun]: 35:07

getting people on the street and

[chris_sherwin]: 35:08

right

[shaun]: 35:08

they're poorly trained and now you're trying to worry about getting them trained properly when you do block training that's like a good portion

[chris_sherwin]: 35:13

m

[shaun]: 35:14

of well from your agency that

[scott]: 35:15

oh

[shaun]: 35:15

are off

[chris_sherwin]: 35:16

oh

[shaun]: 35:16

and you're only doing it once a year and that's a week and there's

[scott]: 35:19

hm

[shaun]: 35:19

seventy different topics you're covering

[chris_sherwin]: 35:21

yeah

[shaun]: 35:21

at that time

[scott]: 35:21

no

[shaun]: 35:22

you've got to do this stuff it's got to be part of it like double days whatever

[chris_sherwin]: 35:25

yeah

[shaun]: 35:25

you want to call it have to be training involved stuff

[scott]: 35:28

oh

[shaun]: 35:28

and that's where money and resources need to go in the future because it's going to continue to happen

[chris_sherwin]: 35:32

well and it's just the training itself is over

[scott]: 35:35

no

[chris_sherwin]: 35:36

evolving and it's

[shaun]: 35:36

go

[chris_sherwin]: 35:36

always

[shaun]: 35:36

to

[chris_sherwin]: 35:37

changing and and everybody thinks well you know you know

[jason_louis]: 35:40

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 35:41

they may have enough training but we

[scott]: 35:42

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 35:42

don't i mean

[scott]: 35:43

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 35:43

i just found out about

[scott]: 35:44

no

[chris_sherwin]: 35:44

two weeks ago that

[shaun]: 35:45

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 35:46

one of the reasons la french died is because the guy

[shaun]: 35:49

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 35:49

was left handed

[shaun]: 35:51

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 35:51

the bad guy was left handed

[shaun]: 35:53

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 35:53

and he shot left handed we always

[scott]: 35:56

m

[chris_sherwin]: 35:56

train

[jason_louis]: 35:56

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 35:56

with people are right handed

[scott]: 35:57

i

[shaun]: 35:58

right

[scott]: 35:58

hm

[chris_sherwin]: 35:59

so

[shaun]: 35:59

right

[chris_sherwin]: 36:00

obviously there's more to

[shaun]: 36:01

yes

[chris_sherwin]: 36:01

it but i mean we have to learn and we have to be trained for that stuff we have

[shaun]: 36:06

hm

[chris_sherwin]: 36:06

to and people i think what people sometimes

[shaun]: 36:09

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 36:09

fail and understand when you know what talk about training everything else every

[shaun]: 36:14

m

[chris_sherwin]: 36:14

every movement everything that you could think of counts the guys he's left handed so now that here

[scott]: 36:21

now

[chris_sherwin]: 36:21

she's left handed

[shaun]: 36:22

m

[chris_sherwin]: 36:22

that changes the whole

[jason_louis]: 36:23

yeah

[scott]: 36:24

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 36:24

thing of how we have

[scott]: 36:25

no

[chris_sherwin]: 36:25

to take control this individ al and i

[shaun]: 36:27

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 36:27

just think that people just need to understand that you know you think that you're throwing

[shaun]: 36:30

m

[chris_sherwin]: 36:31

know

[scott]: 36:31

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 36:31

people go out you know they get enough training or whatever we don't because unfortunately

[shaun]: 36:35

ye

[chris_sherwin]: 36:35

and you can correct me if i'm wrong serge most

[scott]: 36:38

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 36:38

of our training or a good portion of our training comes from

[scott]: 36:42

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 36:43

when officers get killed or hurt

[scott]: 36:44

m

[shaun]: 36:46

oh

[jason_louis]: 36:46

uh yeah for for sure with training there's

[scott]: 36:50

yeah

[jason_louis]: 36:50

you cannot you can't

[shaun]: 36:51

yeah

[jason_louis]: 36:51

substitute actually

[shaun]: 36:53

yeah

[jason_louis]: 36:53

an officer putting their hands on another human being and learning

[scott]: 36:57

yeah

[jason_louis]: 36:57

how the human body works and building

[scott]: 36:59

hm

[jason_louis]: 37:00

confidence in that in hands

[shaun]: 37:03

yes

[jason_louis]: 37:03

on techniques right so you can't do that once a year you can't do that in california the minimum requirement is four hours every

[scott]: 37:11

o

[jason_louis]: 37:11

two years

[shaun]: 37:11

yeah

[jason_louis]: 37:12

four

[shaun]: 37:12

wow

[jason_louis]: 37:12

hours

[scott]: 37:13

oh wow

[jason_louis]: 37:13

every two

[scott]: 37:13

jes

[shaun]: 37:13

wow

[jason_louis]: 37:13

years

[chris_sherwin]: 37:14

four

[scott]: 37:14

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 37:15

every

[jason_louis]: 37:15

i mean

[shaun]: 37:15

wow

[chris_sherwin]: 37:15

two

[jason_louis]: 37:15

it's

[chris_sherwin]: 37:15

years

[jason_louis]: 37:16

four

[shaun]: 37:16

w c

[jason_louis]: 37:16

hours every two

[scott]: 37:17

yeah

[jason_louis]: 37:17

years at that's unbelievable other states don't have any requirement whatsoever for

[scott]: 37:22

hm

[jason_louis]: 37:22

defensive tactics

[chris_sherwin]: 37:23

hold

[shaun]: 37:23

right

[chris_sherwin]: 37:23

on wait a minute wait baby so defensive tactics is four hours

[jason_louis]: 37:27

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 37:28

every two years

[scott]: 37:29

ye

[jason_louis]: 37:30

yeah

[scott]: 37:30

oh

[jason_louis]: 37:30

yeah that's the minimum requirement in

[chris_sherwin]: 37:32

holy

[jason_louis]: 37:32

the state

[chris_sherwin]: 37:33

cow

[shaun]: 37:34

they have like thirty

[jason_louis]: 37:34

you

[shaun]: 37:34

seven

[jason_louis]: 37:34

know

[shaun]: 37:35

electoral votes out there fifty six or some

[chris_sherwin]: 37:37

i know

[shaun]: 37:37

crazy number come on

[jason_louis]: 37:39

you cannot

[shaun]: 37:40

yeah

[jason_louis]: 37:40

you cannot

[chris_sherwin]: 37:41

yeah

[jason_louis]: 37:41

have confidence

[shaun]: 37:42

yeah

[jason_louis]: 37:42

in defensive tactics

[scott]: 37:44

yeah

[jason_louis]: 37:44

techniques

[shaun]: 37:44

yeah

[jason_louis]: 37:45

with

[shaun]: 37:45

yeah

[jason_louis]: 37:45

four hours every two years or

[scott]: 37:47

yes

[jason_louis]: 37:47

even four

[shaun]: 37:47

m

[jason_louis]: 37:47

hours every year

[shaun]: 37:49

oh

[jason_louis]: 37:49

um

[scott]: 37:49

hm

[jason_louis]: 37:50

and so what you end up with

[chris_sherwin]: 37:51

oh

[jason_louis]: 37:51

is when something

[scott]: 37:52

ah

[jason_louis]: 37:53

starts popping

[shaun]: 37:53

okay

[jason_louis]: 37:54

off is

[chris_sherwin]: 37:54

my

[scott]: 37:55

eh

[jason_louis]: 37:55

officers over reacting right because they're

[shaun]: 37:57

desperation

[jason_louis]: 37:57

not they're

[scott]: 37:58

hm

[jason_louis]: 37:58

not very

[chris_sherwin]: 37:58

right

[jason_louis]: 37:58

well trained

[shaun]: 37:58

yeah

[jason_louis]: 37:59

and so

[scott]: 37:59

yeah

[jason_louis]: 38:00

so they'll go cry they'll throw they'll throw you know

[scott]: 38:03

yeah

[jason_louis]: 38:03

maybe punches

[shaun]: 38:04

ye

[jason_louis]: 38:04

where

[chris_sherwin]: 38:04

ye

[jason_louis]: 38:04

punches don't need to be thrown

[scott]: 38:05

we

[jason_louis]: 38:05

or get

[scott]: 38:06

oh

[jason_louis]: 38:06

really get really angry when they don't

[scott]: 38:08

a

[jason_louis]: 38:08

really need to be angry

[shaun]: 38:09

i

[jason_louis]: 38:10

or

[shaun]: 38:10

yeah

[scott]: 38:10

hm

[chris_sherwin]: 38:10

yeah

[jason_louis]: 38:10

not do things to make things easy like control the range

[chris_sherwin]: 38:14

oh

[scott]: 38:15

m

[jason_louis]: 38:15

the distance

[shaun]: 38:15

oh

[jason_louis]: 38:15

they are from the person and pull

[scott]: 38:17

yeah

[jason_louis]: 38:17

out a weapon to try

[shaun]: 38:18

oh

[jason_louis]: 38:18

to deescalate the situation

[chris_sherwin]: 38:20

right

[jason_louis]: 38:20

you know those those types

[scott]: 38:21

m

[jason_louis]: 38:21

of

[scott]: 38:21

okay

[jason_louis]: 38:21

things only come from confidence

[shaun]: 38:22

yes

[jason_louis]: 38:23

and confidence can only come from

[shaun]: 38:26

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 38:26

oh

[scott]: 38:26

m

[jason_louis]: 38:26

training

[scott]: 38:27

oh

[jason_louis]: 38:27

consistently and actually

[shaun]: 38:28

oh

[jason_louis]: 38:29

touching other

[scott]: 38:29

oh

[jason_louis]: 38:29

human beings and

[chris_sherwin]: 38:30

oh

[jason_louis]: 38:30

learning how the

[shaun]: 38:31

yeah

[jason_louis]: 38:31

body

[chris_sherwin]: 38:31

no

[jason_louis]: 38:31

works

[scott]: 38:31

yeah

[jason_louis]: 38:31

so you're confident in it

[scott]: 38:33

so

[shaun]: 38:33

and that

[scott]: 38:34

so

[chris_sherwin]: 38:34

okay

[scott]: 38:34

how did you get into your how did you get

[chris_sherwin]: 38:36

m

[scott]: 38:36

into your starting your company and tell

[chris_sherwin]: 38:39

m

[scott]: 38:39

us a little bit about where

[shaun]: 38:40

right

[scott]: 38:40

that came from and what you're doing and kind

[jason_louis]: 38:43

oh

[scott]: 38:43

of what that all about what you what you're

[jason_louis]: 38:44

yeah

[scott]: 38:45

what you're working on

[shaun]: 38:46

yeah

[jason_louis]: 38:46

the briefing room is right along the lines of what we're talking about that is that nobody is talking about putting more money into training right everyone

[scott]: 38:55

right

[chris_sherwin]: 38:56

right

[jason_louis]: 38:56

the legislature

[chris_sherwin]: 38:56

right right

[jason_louis]: 38:57

they want to put more rules on us more regulation

[shaun]: 38:59

yes oh

[jason_louis]: 39:00

as if

[shaun]: 39:01

oh

[jason_louis]: 39:02

the reason we're

[shaun]: 39:02

oh

[jason_louis]: 39:03

seeing bad videos is because bad intentions

[shaun]: 39:06

m

[scott]: 39:06

ah

[jason_louis]: 39:06

but to me i don't see malicious intent and

[chris_sherwin]: 39:08

yeah

[jason_louis]: 39:08

a lot of these things some of them yes

[shaun]: 39:10

absolutely

[jason_louis]: 39:10

but

[chris_sherwin]: 39:10

sure

[shaun]: 39:10

right

[jason_louis]: 39:10

most of them it's not malicious intent it's

[shaun]: 39:13

a

[jason_louis]: 39:13

poor training

[scott]: 39:14

hm

[chris_sherwin]: 39:14

oh

[jason_louis]: 39:15

so if no one is putting more money into

[scott]: 39:18

m

[jason_louis]: 39:18

our training we have to figure

[shaun]: 39:20

oh

[jason_louis]: 39:21

out innovative ways to train our officers

[scott]: 39:23

oh

[jason_louis]: 39:23

to prepare them for the

[shaun]: 39:25

yeah

[jason_louis]: 39:25

hyper scrutiny that they're

[scott]: 39:26

oh

[jason_louis]: 39:26

under today

[chris_sherwin]: 39:27

oh

[jason_louis]: 39:27

and so

[scott]: 39:28

ah

[jason_louis]: 39:28

that's what

[scott]: 39:28

oh

[jason_louis]: 39:28

the briefing room is about the briefing room

[chris_sherwin]: 39:30

m

[scott]: 39:30

oh

[jason_louis]: 39:31

is an on demand subscription

[shaun]: 39:32

yes

[jason_louis]: 39:33

service

[scott]: 39:33

ye

[jason_louis]: 39:33

that makes it easy

[chris_sherwin]: 39:35

oh

[shaun]: 39:35

yeah

[jason_louis]: 39:35

for supervisors

[shaun]: 39:36

yes

[jason_louis]: 39:36

to provide briefing training

[scott]: 39:38

a

[chris_sherwin]: 39:38

oh

[jason_louis]: 39:39

during briefing or roll call right so

[scott]: 39:41

yeah

[shaun]: 39:41

yeah

[jason_louis]: 39:41

uh

[scott]: 39:42

oh

[jason_louis]: 39:43

during a typical roll call you know the everybody comes

[chris_sherwin]: 39:46

so

[jason_louis]: 39:46

into the room the the supervisor

[chris_sherwin]: 39:48

oh

[scott]: 39:48

m it

[jason_louis]: 39:48

you know finds out what talks to everybody what happened in the previous shift

[shaun]: 39:52

m

[jason_louis]: 39:52

and then

[scott]: 39:53

hm

[jason_louis]: 39:53

should be conducting some

[shaun]: 39:54

oh

[jason_louis]: 39:54

level of training

[scott]: 39:56

yeah

[jason_louis]: 39:56

but that's hard

[shaun]: 39:57

yeah

[jason_louis]: 39:57

to do you

[shaun]: 39:58

right

[jason_louis]: 39:58

have to you have to prepare

[scott]: 39:58

yeah

[jason_louis]: 39:59

that you have to know what to do you have to know how

[scott]: 40:02

you

[jason_louis]: 40:02

to

[chris_sherwin]: 40:02

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:02

train people you have to understand

[scott]: 40:05

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:05

adult learning methods

[chris_sherwin]: 40:06

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:07

so the briefing room makes

[shaun]: 40:08

m

[jason_louis]: 40:08

it easy the briefing room provides ninety second training clips

[shaun]: 40:12

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:12

on one simple topic

[scott]: 40:14

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:14

plus a key points work sheet so a supervisor has a work sheet that lets them ask questions

[chris_sherwin]: 40:19

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:20

to their off

[chris_sherwin]: 40:20

a

[jason_louis]: 40:20

cars and engage

[scott]: 40:21

nice

[jason_louis]: 40:21

them in discussion

[scott]: 40:23

yeah

[jason_louis]: 40:23

and it's

[shaun]: 40:23

m

[jason_louis]: 40:23

all based on bloom's texonomy so

[shaun]: 40:25

yeah

[jason_louis]: 40:25

it so

[chris_sherwin]: 40:25

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:25

it's it

[chris_sherwin]: 40:26

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:27

takes them from a hierarchy

[shaun]: 40:27

my

[scott]: 40:28

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:28

of thinking

[shaun]: 40:30

m

[jason_louis]: 40:30

down to critical

[chris_sherwin]: 40:30

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:30

thinking

[shaun]: 40:31

m ye

[jason_louis]: 40:32

and it real gets

[shaun]: 40:32

okay

[jason_louis]: 40:32

us talking about things

[chris_sherwin]: 40:34

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:34

that we don't talk about a lot

[shaun]: 40:35

ah

[jason_louis]: 40:35

including case law so we cover

[chris_sherwin]: 40:37

m

[scott]: 40:37

yeah

[jason_louis]: 40:37

a lot

[shaun]: 40:37

ah

[jason_louis]: 40:37

of case law

[chris_sherwin]: 40:38

hm

[jason_louis]: 40:38

things that nobody

[scott]: 40:39

no

[jason_louis]: 40:39

teaches us about case law comes out all the time

[chris_sherwin]: 40:42

right

[scott]: 40:42

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:42

and

[scott]: 40:42

yeah

[jason_louis]: 40:42

nobody

[shaun]: 40:42

hm

[scott]: 40:42

right

[chris_sherwin]: 40:43

yeah

[jason_louis]: 40:43

nobody teaches us

[shaun]: 40:44

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:44

about it if it's

[shaun]: 40:46

oh

[jason_louis]: 40:46

a something

[shaun]: 40:47

my

[jason_louis]: 40:47

something major like something

[chris_sherwin]: 40:49

oh

[scott]: 40:49

i

[jason_louis]: 40:49

from the

[shaun]: 40:49

yeah

[jason_louis]: 40:49

supreme court you might get a training bulletin on it or something

[shaun]: 40:52

my

[jason_louis]: 40:52

or a

[scott]: 40:53

right

[jason_louis]: 40:53

really quick training and then it's gone it's out of your

[shaun]: 40:55

right

[jason_louis]: 40:55

mind

[scott]: 40:55

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 40:56

right

[shaun]: 40:56

right

[jason_louis]: 40:56

but there's so many cases

[scott]: 40:57

yeah

[jason_louis]: 40:58

that come out

[chris_sherwin]: 40:59

oh

[shaun]: 40:59

m

[jason_louis]: 41:00

that teach

[shaun]: 41:00

m oh

[jason_louis]: 41:00

us about a

[shaun]: 41:02

oh

[jason_louis]: 41:02

lot of things

[chris_sherwin]: 41:02

a

[jason_louis]: 41:03

that have happened over time that we didn't we didn't learn about so when you read

[scott]: 41:06

right

[jason_louis]: 41:06

case law you

[shaun]: 41:07

yah

[jason_louis]: 41:07

go wait a second that's been lost since i've been

[chris_sherwin]: 41:09

m

[jason_louis]: 41:09

a cop wait a second

[chris_sherwin]: 41:11

m oh

[jason_louis]: 41:11

i'm not

[chris_sherwin]: 41:11

yeah

[shaun]: 41:11

yeah

[scott]: 41:12

right

[jason_louis]: 41:12

wait a second

[scott]: 41:12

right

[jason_louis]: 41:13

i'm

[scott]: 41:13

wait

[jason_louis]: 41:13

not allowed

[scott]: 41:13

what

[jason_louis]: 41:13

to kick in

[chris_sherwin]: 41:14

yeah

[jason_louis]: 41:14

the door in this situation

[shaun]: 41:15

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 41:15

right right

[jason_louis]: 41:16

and that was

[shaun]: 41:16

right

[jason_louis]: 41:16

from nineteen eighty seven

[chris_sherwin]: 41:17

yeah

[shaun]: 41:18

right right

[jason_louis]: 41:18

you

[shaun]: 41:18

right

[jason_louis]: 41:18

know

[shaun]: 41:19

right exactly

[chris_sherwin]: 41:19

yeah

[shaun]: 41:19

right right

[jason_louis]: 41:19

so

[shaun]: 41:20

right

[scott]: 41:20

ah

[shaun]: 41:20

right

[jason_louis]: 41:21

so the

[chris_sherwin]: 41:21

oh

[jason_louis]: 41:21

briefing room

[scott]: 41:21

yeah

[jason_louis]: 41:22

is all about active duty officers because all

[chris_sherwin]: 41:24

ye

[jason_louis]: 41:24

of us are active duty we're all california post certified instructors

[shaun]: 41:29

ye

[jason_louis]: 41:29

teaching things

[scott]: 41:29

oh

[jason_louis]: 41:29

that we don't normally learn

[scott]: 41:31

i

[jason_louis]: 41:32

and making

[shaun]: 41:32

oh

[jason_louis]: 41:32

it easy

[chris_sherwin]: 41:33

oh

[jason_louis]: 41:33

or supervisors at

[scott]: 41:34

i

[jason_louis]: 41:35

every at every agency to be able

[shaun]: 41:36

yes

[jason_louis]: 41:37

to

[shaun]: 41:37

m

[jason_louis]: 41:38

lead that training

[shaun]: 41:39

yeah

[jason_louis]: 41:39

to their team of officers

[shaun]: 41:41

yeah

[scott]: 41:41

that's great

[chris_sherwin]: 41:42

that's

[scott]: 41:42

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 41:42

awesome

[scott]: 41:42

because like you i like you said that you know the train

[chris_sherwin]: 41:44

yah

[scott]: 41:44

the case law stuff

[chris_sherwin]: 41:45

yah

[scott]: 41:46

i mean we all worked in jobs in our department that were very

[shaun]: 41:49

yeah

[scott]: 41:50

um very focused on not that

[chris_sherwin]: 41:52

oh

[scott]: 41:52

all of our jobs on case law but a lot of search and seizure and stuff that

[chris_sherwin]: 41:55

right

[scott]: 41:56

you need to be really

[jason_louis]: 41:56

oh

[scott]: 41:57

you need to really stay up on that stuff

[shaun]: 41:58

hm

[scott]: 41:58

because

[jason_louis]: 41:59

yeah

[scott]: 41:59

literally

[chris_sherwin]: 42:00

yeah

[scott]: 42:00

something that you've done we all have you know all of us here have over twenty years experience

[shaun]: 42:04

oh

[scott]: 42:04

on the job something that you are doing in your role of

[shaun]: 42:07

m

[scott]: 42:07

whatever your specialty

[jason_louis]: 42:08

oh

[scott]: 42:08

assignment was

[chris_sherwin]: 42:09

oh

[scott]: 42:09

for the last two or three years now there's a ling

[shaun]: 42:12

m

[scott]: 42:12

that just completely

[jason_louis]: 42:13

m

[scott]: 42:13

turned that on its on its head and now you have to do things

[shaun]: 42:16

yeah

[scott]: 42:16

completely different i mean

[shaun]: 42:17

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 42:17

right

[scott]: 42:17

i even remember that from

[jason_louis]: 42:18

right

[scott]: 42:18

years ago

[shaun]: 42:19

m

[scott]: 42:19

you know with

[shaun]: 42:19

yeah

[scott]: 42:20

chris work and the dog

[chris_sherwin]: 42:21

yeah

[scott]: 42:21

for

[shaun]: 42:21

yeah

[scott]: 42:21

years and years and years there was a

[shaun]: 42:23

yeah

[scott]: 42:23

lot of stuff that changed

[chris_sherwin]: 42:24

right

[scott]: 42:24

with

[shaun]: 42:25

ye

[scott]: 42:25

with the dog and

[shaun]: 42:26

yeah

[scott]: 42:26

and sniffs and all that kind of stuff

[chris_sherwin]: 42:28

right

[scott]: 42:28

which

[jason_louis]: 42:28

yeah

[scott]: 42:28

impacted what we were doing with narcotics and so if you don't know that stuff

[chris_sherwin]: 42:32

right

[scott]: 42:33

you're

[shaun]: 42:33

yeah

[scott]: 42:33

gonna you're gonna well one

[chris_sherwin]: 42:34

m

[scott]: 42:34

you're gonna

[jason_louis]: 42:35

okay

[scott]: 42:35

you're going to look stupid you're going to lose cases

[chris_sherwin]: 42:36

yeah

[scott]: 42:37

but then you're also opening yourself up to you know civil liability

[jason_louis]: 42:40

o

[scott]: 42:40

as well and

[shaun]: 42:41

oh

[jason_louis]: 42:41

oh

[scott]: 42:42

you can't do that

[chris_sherwin]: 42:43

right

[shaun]: 42:43

well i mean it's

[jason_louis]: 42:44

and

[shaun]: 42:44

good

[jason_louis]: 42:44

how many things how many things did you learn in the academy

[chris_sherwin]: 42:47

yeah

[jason_louis]: 42:47

that you've never

[shaun]: 42:47

yeah

[jason_louis]: 42:47

heard you've never heard again nobody

[chris_sherwin]: 42:49

oh

[jason_louis]: 42:49

ever

[chris_sherwin]: 42:49

my god

[jason_louis]: 42:49

you know

[shaun]: 42:50

right

[jason_louis]: 42:50

you're

[scott]: 42:50

right

[chris_sherwin]: 42:50

i

[jason_louis]: 42:50

supposed

[chris_sherwin]: 42:50

don't

[jason_louis]: 42:50

to remember it from twenty years ago

[shaun]: 42:52

right

[scott]: 42:53

right

[jason_louis]: 42:53

i

[scott]: 42:53

yeah

[jason_louis]: 42:53

mean

[shaun]: 42:53

right

[scott]: 42:54

yeah

[shaun]: 42:54

it

[jason_louis]: 42:55

you know and then you go to detectives

[shaun]: 42:56

oh

[jason_louis]: 42:56

or something

[chris_sherwin]: 42:56

ah

[jason_louis]: 42:57

and then you come back out to patrol

[scott]: 42:59

oh

[jason_louis]: 42:59

four or five years later and you're supposed

[scott]: 43:01

yeah

[jason_louis]: 43:01

to

[shaun]: 43:01

yeah

[jason_louis]: 43:01

remember all of that

[scott]: 43:02

right

[chris_sherwin]: 43:03

right

[shaun]: 43:03

yeah

[scott]: 43:03

and there's probably

[jason_louis]: 43:03

it's

[scott]: 43:03

stuff

[jason_louis]: 43:04

not

[scott]: 43:04

that's changed in that time yeah right

[shaun]: 43:05

oh

[jason_louis]: 43:05

yes it's not realistic

[chris_sherwin]: 43:07

oh

[scott]: 43:07

oh

[jason_louis]: 43:07

we need to change the way we're doing

[scott]: 43:09

okay

[jason_louis]: 43:09

things and like you said shawn

[scott]: 43:10

a

[jason_louis]: 43:11

normally when we're doing training

[scott]: 43:13

i

[jason_louis]: 43:13

we have

[shaun]: 43:13

m

[jason_louis]: 43:13

to

[shaun]: 43:14

oh

[jason_louis]: 43:14

send a group of people

[shaun]: 43:15

oh

[jason_louis]: 43:15

to a class to an eight hour class

[shaun]: 43:17

ah

[jason_louis]: 43:17

or multi day class and pay per deum

[shaun]: 43:19

yeah

[jason_louis]: 43:20

and pay hotel and overtime

[shaun]: 43:23

right

[jason_louis]: 43:23

you know for

[shaun]: 43:23

right

[jason_louis]: 43:24

back vile so

[chris_sherwin]: 43:25

oh

[jason_louis]: 43:26

not everybody gets the training so you're only sitting a little hand two

[shaun]: 43:29

oh

[jason_louis]: 43:29

two people

[chris_sherwin]: 43:30

m

[jason_louis]: 43:30

three people to this training and not everyone

[scott]: 43:32

yeah

[jason_louis]: 43:32

gets

[shaun]: 43:32

oh

[jason_louis]: 43:32

it

[chris_sherwin]: 43:33

that's

[jason_louis]: 43:33

so

[chris_sherwin]: 43:33

crazy

[jason_louis]: 43:33

the breefingrom is all

[scott]: 43:34

oh

[jason_louis]: 43:34

about consistency and allowing everybody

[scott]: 43:36

oh

[jason_louis]: 43:37

to

[chris_sherwin]: 43:37

oh

[jason_louis]: 43:37

get the same training at your agency

[scott]: 43:39

ye

[jason_louis]: 43:40

and there's no hotel no pack no pert none of that

[chris_sherwin]: 43:43

h

[shaun]: 43:43

right

[chris_sherwin]: 43:43

m

[shaun]: 43:44

there's half the guys who just go to cane just to get their partem in the hotel

[scott]: 43:46

oh

[shaun]: 43:47

and then

[chris_sherwin]: 43:47

right

[shaun]: 43:47

you know

[chris_sherwin]: 43:47

right

[shaun]: 43:47

i mean you're like damn

[chris_sherwin]: 43:48

paid i paid

[jason_louis]: 43:49

you know

[chris_sherwin]: 43:49

for groceries

[jason_louis]: 43:49

you know why

[chris_sherwin]: 43:49

a couple

[jason_louis]: 43:49

that

[chris_sherwin]: 43:50

of times

[jason_louis]: 43:50

is

[chris_sherwin]: 43:50

as a young rookie

[jason_louis]: 43:52

you know you know why that is how many classes have you been to that have been absolutely

[chris_sherwin]: 43:55

oh

[jason_louis]: 43:55

horrible

[scott]: 43:55

h uh

[shaun]: 43:56

yeah exactly

[chris_sherwin]: 43:57

oh

[scott]: 43:57

right

[shaun]: 43:58

on

[chris_sherwin]: 43:58

right

[shaun]: 43:58

a ton

[jason_louis]: 43:58

right

[shaun]: 43:59

ah

[jason_louis]: 43:59

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 44:00

m

[jason_louis]: 44:00

a

[scott]: 44:00

yeah

[jason_louis]: 44:00

ton

[shaun]: 44:00

what did i learn

[jason_louis]: 44:00

a

[shaun]: 44:00

here

[jason_louis]: 44:00

ton

[shaun]: 44:01

yeah it didn't

[scott]: 44:01

yeah

[shaun]: 44:01

take

[chris_sherwin]: 44:01

oh

[jason_louis]: 44:01

yeah

[shaun]: 44:02

forty hours

[jason_louis]: 44:02

everybody everybody

[chris_sherwin]: 44:03

ah

[jason_louis]: 44:04

stand up and introduce yourself for

[scott]: 44:05

yeah

[jason_louis]: 44:05

an hour

[chris_sherwin]: 44:06

oh

[jason_louis]: 44:06

to everybody else in the class

[chris_sherwin]: 44:08

oh

[jason_louis]: 44:08

while everybody

[shaun]: 44:08

right

[jason_louis]: 44:09

tunes

[scott]: 44:09

yeah

[jason_louis]: 44:09

out you know

[scott]: 44:10

and

[jason_louis]: 44:10

i

[scott]: 44:10

a

[chris_sherwin]: 44:10

right

[jason_louis]: 44:10

mean

[scott]: 44:10

two hour lunch

[jason_louis]: 44:11

horrible

[shaun]: 44:12

right

[jason_louis]: 44:12

right

[shaun]: 44:12

right

[jason_louis]: 44:13

right

[shaun]: 44:13

right

[scott]: 44:14

right

[shaun]: 44:14

and we can get you out if we stay late on thursday we can get you out of here

[chris_sherwin]: 44:17

by

[shaun]: 44:17

on friday

[chris_sherwin]: 44:18

noon

[jason_louis]: 44:18

right

[chris_sherwin]: 44:18

i'm right

[shaun]: 44:18

early but

[chris_sherwin]: 44:19

right

[shaun]: 44:19

we'll still

[jason_louis]: 44:19

right

[shaun]: 44:19

call

[scott]: 44:19

right

[shaun]: 44:19

it

[jason_louis]: 44:19

right

[shaun]: 44:20

forty

[scott]: 44:20

right

[shaun]: 44:20

hours you're like i guess that's

[jason_louis]: 44:21

right

[scott]: 44:21

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 44:21

oh

[shaun]: 44:21

training you know but

[scott]: 44:22

ah

[jason_louis]: 44:22

right

[shaun]: 44:22

like

[scott]: 44:22

that's

[shaun]: 44:23

that

[chris_sherwin]: 44:23

oh

[scott]: 44:23

the standard

[shaun]: 44:23

but i'm gonna be honest with you by the end of that you are so like

[scott]: 44:26

it

[shaun]: 44:26

as a human you're like this training sucks so bad i'll do anything to get the hell out of here early

[jason_louis]: 44:30

at's

[shaun]: 44:30

i mean

[jason_louis]: 44:30

right

[shaun]: 44:31

it's not really tough

[scott]: 44:31

hm

[shaun]: 44:32

and then the flip side of that

[chris_sherwin]: 44:33

yeah

[shaun]: 44:33

jason's point is how

[chris_sherwin]: 44:35

hm

[shaun]: 44:35

many of us go the class is there are guys that you knew that went away and got all these certifications

[jason_louis]: 44:38

yeah

[shaun]: 44:39

and never brought it back and practiced

[chris_sherwin]: 44:40

m

[shaun]: 44:40

it for anybody else never said hey

[scott]: 44:42

hm

[jason_louis]: 44:42

right

[shaun]: 44:42

if you're going to go to this training come back and show people that when we did his in show you heard a lot of the things hat were very kind sistent

[jason_louis]: 44:47

yeah

[shaun]: 44:48

with a lot of other trainers that we've had on here one of them was for science which is huge four sciences about taking this knowledge and sharing it with the rest of the police community best

[chris_sherwin]: 44:57

yeah

[shaun]: 44:57

practices from all

[jason_louis]: 44:58

yeah

[shaun]: 44:58

over the place again a lot of can ay and influence on that like we've talked about in the past very cerebral people when it comes to training and then

[chris_sherwin]: 45:04

oh

[shaun]: 45:04

they were very big in my world of pushing

[chris_sherwin]: 45:06

m

[shaun]: 45:07

people towards scenario

[chris_sherwin]: 45:08

m

[shaun]: 45:08

based training and scenario base

[scott]: 45:10

hm

[shaun]: 45:10

training sounds cool and like it's another

[chris_sherwin]: 45:11

oh

[shaun]: 45:11

thin if people don't understan train

[scott]: 45:12

m

[shaun]: 45:12

you did scenario base that's great but it's like all right as trainers

[chris_sherwin]: 45:15

oh

[shaun]: 45:16

what

[scott]: 45:16

yeah

[shaun]: 45:16

are you doing to diagnose everyone if you do block

[chris_sherwin]: 45:19

oh

[shaun]: 45:19

training for your organization what are the patterns that you see that need to continue

[scott]: 45:24

i

[shaun]: 45:24

to train on moving forward well we did

[scott]: 45:26

well

[shaun]: 45:26

less lethal

[chris_sherwin]: 45:26

oh

[shaun]: 45:26

raining that's cool

[jason_louis]: 45:27

yeah

[shaun]: 45:27

okay well what did you see out the

[scott]: 45:29

what

[shaun]: 45:29

last train well most people pass

[scott]: 45:30

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 45:30

h

[shaun]: 45:30

okay everybody passes but what

[chris_sherwin]: 45:32

h

[shaun]: 45:32

did you see like did you

[chris_sherwin]: 45:34

right

[scott]: 45:34

right

[shaun]: 45:34

what did they struggle with i you see shots

[scott]: 45:36

ah

[shaun]: 45:37

not going to the location

[chris_sherwin]: 45:38

oh

[shaun]: 45:38

that they should be with impact munitions were tasor s not being deployed properly

[jason_louis]: 45:42

oh

[shaun]: 45:42

at a close distance and you saw that over and over again or

[chris_sherwin]: 45:44

oh

[shaun]: 45:45

you do

[jason_louis]: 45:45

yeah

[shaun]: 45:45

the typical and i'm not not contain because

[scott]: 45:47

no

[shaun]: 45:47

tasor has great train don't get me wrong a lot

[scott]: 45:49

ah

[shaun]: 45:49

of

[chris_sherwin]: 45:49

oh

[shaun]: 45:49

great

[jason_louis]: 45:49

yeah

[shaun]: 45:49

technology out there but the tasor stuff

[chris_sherwin]: 45:51

oh

[shaun]: 45:51

is like a right shoot it at the stationary tar you're good switch it out through another

[chris_sherwin]: 45:53

oh

[shaun]: 45:54

one that's good you never do the whole like what happens if you engage a tarin close or what happens

[jason_louis]: 45:58

yeah

[shaun]: 45:58

if you're using less let let distance that's an impact musician and then you got to follow up with and then

[scott]: 46:03

oh

[shaun]: 46:03

how are people struggling with the command and control of that because that's what happens when we close that gap and

[scott]: 46:07

and

[shaun]: 46:07

you bring this

[scott]: 46:08

practicing with lethal cover was

[shaun]: 46:09

right

[scott]: 46:10

one of the

[chris_sherwin]: 46:10

oh

[scott]: 46:10

things that you s touched

[jason_louis]: 46:11

oh

[scott]: 46:11

on was

[chris_sherwin]: 46:11

yeah

[shaun]: 46:11

oh

[scott]: 46:11

the lethal cover in addition

[chris_sherwin]: 46:12

right

[jason_louis]: 46:12

yeah

[scott]: 46:13

to the

[shaun]: 46:13

oh

[scott]: 46:13

tasor because then you just think the tasor s the catch all

[shaun]: 46:16

we would bring that information back

[scott]: 46:17

i might

[shaun]: 46:17

to the

[scott]: 46:18

need

[shaun]: 46:18

command

[scott]: 46:18

right

[shaun]: 46:18

they would go

[scott]: 46:19

yeah

[shaun]: 46:20

did everybody pass that's all they'd ask it's like it's it's

[scott]: 46:23

oh

[shaun]: 46:23

way more complex than this it's like it's like the measurement

[scott]: 46:25

yeah

[shaun]: 46:25

of its like like how do you want a super bowl if everybody

[scott]: 46:28

oh

[shaun]: 46:28

did everybody show up put their cleats on today yea o kay were champs you know we're going to go we're going all

[scott]: 46:32

h

[shaun]: 46:32

the way

[chris_sherwin]: 46:32

well

[shaun]: 46:33

like

[chris_sherwin]: 46:33

everybody

[shaun]: 46:33

the bears

[chris_sherwin]: 46:33

does

[shaun]: 46:33

win

[chris_sherwin]: 46:33

get

[shaun]: 46:33

when

[chris_sherwin]: 46:33

a trophy

[shaun]: 46:34

the bears

[chris_sherwin]: 46:34

shown

[shaun]: 46:34

chicago

[chris_sherwin]: 46:34

everybody

[shaun]: 46:34

bears win

[chris_sherwin]: 46:35

does

[shaun]: 46:35

one

[chris_sherwin]: 46:35

get

[shaun]: 46:35

football

[chris_sherwin]: 46:35

a trophy

[shaun]: 46:35

game and it's immediate talk of going to

[scott]: 46:37

h

[shaun]: 46:37

the super

[scott]: 46:37

oh

[shaun]: 46:37

ball that's the way police training is everybody showed

[scott]: 46:39

yeah

[shaun]: 46:39

up and passed guess we're never going to have any mistakes and it's

[chris_sherwin]: 46:42

yeah

[shaun]: 46:42

like you never even analyze what's happening within the channing so it's very very frushating tis great to her you talk about this jason because i mean you got i mean you find yourself to be minority in california with that like in the idea of that tad training or is it pretty consistent with the rest of the state

[jason_louis]: 46:56

no i would i wouldn't say i'm in the i wouldn't say i've in the minority of course

[shaun]: 47:00

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:00

good and everything comes back to hang out with and i an i try to hang out with the best trainers that i can you know

[shaun]: 47:05

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:05

in the state

[shaun]: 47:07

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:08

but to your

[shaun]: 47:09

m

[jason_louis]: 47:10

point

[shaun]: 47:10

my

[jason_louis]: 47:11

most of the public in the legislature they don't

[scott]: 47:13

i

[jason_louis]: 47:13

understand how difficult all of that stuff that you guys

[shaun]: 47:15

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:16

just talked about is

[shaun]: 47:17

right

[scott]: 47:17

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:18

it's very difficult and so

[chris_sherwin]: 47:19

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:19

one of the best things that we did as an agency was start

[shaun]: 47:22

yes

[jason_louis]: 47:22

trying to get our legislators into our force option simulator

[shaun]: 47:25

m hm

[jason_louis]: 47:27

and

[scott]: 47:27

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:27

that for me has has been so

[shaun]: 47:30

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:30

eye opening because you

[shaun]: 47:32

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:33

see how terrible

[scott]: 47:34

no

[jason_louis]: 47:34

they are

[scott]: 47:35

oh

[jason_louis]: 47:36

the more critical that somebody is typically

[shaun]: 47:38

kay

[scott]: 47:39

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:39

in their politics the worst that they

[shaun]: 47:40

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:41

are in real

[shaun]: 47:43

m

[jason_louis]: 47:43

in

[shaun]: 47:43

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:43

fake

[scott]: 47:43

yeah

[jason_louis]: 47:44

real so four

[scott]: 47:44

fake

[jason_louis]: 47:45

scenarios

[scott]: 47:45

real life yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 47:45

right

[scott]: 47:45

right

[jason_louis]: 47:45

right

[chris_sherwin]: 47:46

right

[scott]: 47:46

right

[chris_sherwin]: 47:46

right

[shaun]: 47:46

there'd be the

[jason_louis]: 47:47

they

[shaun]: 47:47

person

[jason_louis]: 47:47

get nerve

[shaun]: 47:48

be the death camp guard you know what

[jason_louis]: 47:49

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 47:50

right

[shaun]: 47:50

i mean like

[jason_louis]: 47:50

they

[shaun]: 47:51

i just

[jason_louis]: 47:51

get

[shaun]: 47:51

would kill him because that's the easiest thing to do you know

[jason_louis]: 47:53

they get nervous they

[scott]: 47:55

uh

[jason_louis]: 47:55

can't get

[scott]: 47:56

h

[jason_louis]: 47:56

there with the weapons out of the alf of the

[scott]: 47:58

h

[jason_louis]: 47:58

belt they will always shoot the

[shaun]: 48:00

ye

[jason_louis]: 48:00

person with the fake gun

[shaun]: 48:02

right

[jason_louis]: 48:03

they will

[shaun]: 48:03

right

[jason_louis]: 48:03

always use more force than is necess are or they will completely lock up it's one hundred percent

[scott]: 48:07

hm

[jason_louis]: 48:08

in my experience it's one hundred percent of the time

[scott]: 48:10

yeah

[jason_louis]: 48:11

but

[shaun]: 48:11

m

[jason_louis]: 48:11

it's a great experience if you can get them

[shaun]: 48:13

oh

[jason_louis]: 48:13

in there because that's those that's one

[chris_sherwin]: 48:15

m

[jason_louis]: 48:16

of the ways that we try to build support and try to say listen this is why we need more training and this is why these laws do not work

[shaun]: 48:24

right

[scott]: 48:24

hm

[shaun]: 48:24

right

[scott]: 48:25

yeah

[shaun]: 48:25

and then actually making laws where you know be honest with you i'm not

[scott]: 48:29

oh

[shaun]: 48:29

saying that this is right or wrong i don't know if anywhere where there's no bond thing in the united states has really worked out well for the people that it's supposed

[jason_louis]: 48:35

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 48:35

right

[shaun]: 48:35

serve it serves a

[scott]: 48:37

hm

[shaun]: 48:37

group of people i like it's like a trend in the world like we like black vell crow is like the thing in law enforcement if you got that you're in it's good like the

[jason_louis]: 48:45

ah

[shaun]: 48:46

same thing probably applies to politicians hey what are they doing out in california

[chris_sherwin]: 48:48

oh

[shaun]: 48:48

if i'm in illinois it's a similar state you know it's a state that's large but dominated

[chris_sherwin]: 48:53

yeah

[shaun]: 48:53

by urban areas things like

[chris_sherwin]: 48:54

ah

[shaun]: 48:54

that what are we doing how are we doing what

[chris_sherwin]: 48:55

yeah

[shaun]: 48:55

are they doing out there let's listen to what they've got to say

[scott]: 48:57

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 48:57

oh

[shaun]: 48:57

we follow up and everybody

[jason_louis]: 48:58

hm

[shaun]: 48:58

is kind of like in ting with this stuff so it's great that you actually brought politicians out to see some of your

[chris_sherwin]: 49:03

right

[shaun]: 49:03

training now has it impacted any of the legislation since you've done that or is it still went in rome

[jason_louis]: 49:09

m

[shaun]: 49:09

being a roman

[scott]: 49:10

yeah

[jason_louis]: 49:10

i can't say that

[chris_sherwin]: 49:11

yeah

[jason_louis]: 49:11

yeah i

[shaun]: 49:12

yes

[jason_louis]: 49:12

can't say that it's impacted or

[shaun]: 49:14

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 49:15

yeah

[jason_louis]: 49:15

our legislation because we're just you know we're one county we need we need all of law enforcement to

[shaun]: 49:20

m

[jason_louis]: 49:20

do this and to

[chris_sherwin]: 49:21

yeah

[jason_louis]: 49:22

to make a positive impact and

[shaun]: 49:25

eh

[jason_louis]: 49:26

what what it does do though is it puts that little seat

[shaun]: 49:29

m

[jason_louis]: 49:29

of doubt

[scott]: 49:29

oh

[jason_louis]: 49:29

in their mind that maybe what i'm doing is is wrong

[shaun]: 49:33

yeah

[jason_louis]: 49:33

if they do go

[shaun]: 49:34

oh

[jason_louis]: 49:34

out this happened to us once we had

[shaun]: 49:37

ah

[jason_louis]: 49:37

one guy go through super critical law enforcement went through completely changed

[shaun]: 49:41

oh

[jason_louis]: 49:41

his mind was blown away on everything

[scott]: 49:43

ah

[jason_louis]: 49:44

and then immediately the next went on a radio show and completely

[shaun]: 49:48

yeah

[jason_louis]: 49:48

lambasted us

[shaun]: 49:49

oh

[jason_louis]: 49:49

on

[chris_sherwin]: 49:50

yeah

[jason_louis]: 49:50

on the radio

[scott]: 49:50

yeah

[jason_louis]: 49:51

about

[chris_sherwin]: 49:51

right right

[scott]: 49:51

right

[jason_louis]: 49:52

went right back to everything

[shaun]: 49:53

h

[jason_louis]: 49:53

else because

[chris_sherwin]: 49:54

what gets

[jason_louis]: 49:54

it's

[chris_sherwin]: 49:54

me

[jason_louis]: 49:54

really

[chris_sherwin]: 49:54

votes

[jason_louis]: 49:55

about

[chris_sherwin]: 49:55

not what

[scott]: 49:55

m

[chris_sherwin]: 49:55

what's

[jason_louis]: 49:55

it's

[chris_sherwin]: 49:55

the

[jason_louis]: 49:56

really

[chris_sherwin]: 49:56

truth

[jason_louis]: 49:56

about his image

[chris_sherwin]: 49:57

now

[jason_louis]: 49:57

right

[scott]: 49:57

yeah

[shaun]: 49:57

right

[jason_louis]: 49:58

so yes that certainly happens but you know what i know i know that deep down i affected him and that's a start that's

[shaun]: 50:05

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 50:05

right

[jason_louis]: 50:05

important

[scott]: 50:05

oh

[shaun]: 50:05

right right

[scott]: 50:06

m

[chris_sherwin]: 50:07

i

[shaun]: 50:07

now

[chris_sherwin]: 50:07

just think

[scott]: 50:07

m

[chris_sherwin]: 50:07

i mean when you make changes like that you know

[shaun]: 50:10

m

[chris_sherwin]: 50:10

whether it's

[scott]: 50:11

m yeah

[shaun]: 50:12

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 50:12

on your training or a personal change whether it's

[scott]: 50:16

m

[chris_sherwin]: 50:16

you know you know you start encompassing

[scott]: 50:18

ah

[chris_sherwin]: 50:18

and you start bracing other cultures

[shaun]: 50:19

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 50:20

other people and stuff like that and you could admit hey you know i

[scott]: 50:22

ye

[chris_sherwin]: 50:22

really wasn't

[shaun]: 50:23

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 50:23

always right on this and stuff like that and accept

[scott]: 50:25

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 50:25

that change

[shaun]: 50:25

it

[chris_sherwin]: 50:26

and make it better i just think that you know

[scott]: 50:28

ah

[chris_sherwin]: 50:29

we just

[shaun]: 50:29

i

[chris_sherwin]: 50:29

have

[shaun]: 50:30

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 50:30

to do that and we just don't have we have unfortunate we have people that don't want to do that like

[shaun]: 50:34

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 50:35

okay well i know i was wrong but if i go out and i say the truth that i was wrong and these guys that really need the training and

[shaun]: 50:40

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 50:40

these guys and girls really go out there and have to make such decisions you know

[shaun]: 50:44

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 50:44

the it's going to cost me

[shaun]: 50:46

m

[chris_sherwin]: 50:46

votes instead of

[shaun]: 50:47

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 50:47

what

[shaun]: 50:48

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 50:48

what the truth is and you know building

[scott]: 50:50

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 50:50

that bridge between you know

[shaun]: 50:52

m

[chris_sherwin]: 50:52

you know the public

[scott]: 50:54

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 50:54

and the police instead of just saying hey you know i was wrong and this they just they just continue at that divide

[scott]: 50:59

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 50:59

and

[shaun]: 50:59

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 50:59

it's just a shame

[scott]: 51:01

yeah

[jason_louis]: 51:02

we have to communicate and

[shaun]: 51:03

as

[jason_louis]: 51:03

i'll tell you it's not

[chris_sherwin]: 51:04

m

[jason_louis]: 51:04

just

[scott]: 51:04

no

[jason_louis]: 51:05

it's not just our side either i have learned i have learned

[shaun]: 51:08

yes

[jason_louis]: 51:08

a lot from interacting with

[scott]: 51:10

ah

[jason_louis]: 51:10

people that are critical of law

[scott]: 51:12

ah

[jason_louis]: 51:12

enforcement

[shaun]: 51:12

mhm

[jason_louis]: 51:13

and hearing their side of it

[shaun]: 51:15

right

[jason_louis]: 51:15

and you know

[scott]: 51:16

yeah

[jason_louis]: 51:16

i've learned some things that make me go oh you know

[chris_sherwin]: 51:20

right

[jason_louis]: 51:20

i never thought

[shaun]: 51:21

yeah

[jason_louis]: 51:21

about it like that

[shaun]: 51:22

right

[jason_louis]: 51:22

you know

[scott]: 51:23

hm

[jason_louis]: 51:23

at least

[chris_sherwin]: 51:23

right

[shaun]: 51:23

right

[jason_louis]: 51:23

i see i see your

[scott]: 51:24

m

[jason_louis]: 51:24

point

[shaun]: 51:25

oh

[scott]: 51:25

yeah

[jason_louis]: 51:25

and you know i can i can buffer i can buffer this this certain thing because of what you told me here and we almost always we come to to an agreement like because we're not that different it's just a lot

[shaun]: 51:37

right

[jason_louis]: 51:37

of misunderstanding

[shaun]: 51:38

right

[chris_sherwin]: 51:38

right but then

[scott]: 51:39

hm

[chris_sherwin]: 51:39

next time now you learn that then next time you're on a scene surge and then one of your guys starts taking a left hand turn and

[scott]: 51:45

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 51:45

doesn't even

[shaun]: 51:45

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 51:45

have to go bad but you could catch it before it goes bad it's a cultural thing at this is hate

[shaun]: 51:50

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 51:50

it s what i learned hey back off back down or hey i got

[jason_louis]: 51:52

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 51:52

this because of this or whatever so now just because you

[shaun]: 51:55

it

[chris_sherwin]: 51:55

took the time to talk or whatever

[shaun]: 51:56

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 51:57

you learned that one little thing that's

[jason_louis]: 51:58

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 51:59

training that now you could train you train your guys on and it just makes things better

[shaun]: 52:03

oh

[jason_louis]: 52:04

yeah

[scott]: 52:05

yah

[jason_louis]: 52:05

so as a sergeant i believe you have

[scott]: 52:07

h

[jason_louis]: 52:07

to make

[chris_sherwin]: 52:07

m

[scott]: 52:07

ah

[jason_louis]: 52:08

a duty to intervene culturally

[scott]: 52:09

oh

[jason_louis]: 52:09

acceptable on your shift right so

[scott]: 52:11

hm

[shaun]: 52:12

yeah

[jason_louis]: 52:12

you have to train them on it regularly to keep

[shaun]: 52:14

my

[jason_louis]: 52:14

it fresh in their mind

[scott]: 52:15

oh

[jason_louis]: 52:16

and you have to make it listen i'm no better than anybody else i can lose my temper

[chris_sherwin]: 52:21

right

[jason_louis]: 52:21

just like anybody

[scott]: 52:22

m

[shaun]: 52:22

right

[jason_louis]: 52:22

else can lose

[shaun]: 52:23

right

[jason_louis]: 52:23

their temper

[scott]: 52:24

sure

[jason_louis]: 52:25

if you see me starting

[chris_sherwin]: 52:26

oh

[shaun]: 52:26

m

[jason_louis]: 52:26

to lose my temper i want you

[scott]: 52:28

yeah

[jason_louis]: 52:28

to step in want

[chris_sherwin]: 52:28

right

[jason_louis]: 52:28

you to put your hand on my shoulder and tell

[chris_sherwin]: 52:30

ah

[jason_louis]: 52:30

me

[scott]: 52:30

right

[jason_louis]: 52:30

hey hey let me try to talk to him right

[scott]: 52:33

right

[shaun]: 52:33

right

[scott]: 52:34

oh

[jason_louis]: 52:34

and you better expect me

[shaun]: 52:35

it

[jason_louis]: 52:35

to do the same thing because

[scott]: 52:37

sure

[jason_louis]: 52:37

i will and i expect you to do

[scott]: 52:38

yeah

[jason_louis]: 52:39

it for each other as well

[shaun]: 52:40

oh

[jason_louis]: 52:40

so

[scott]: 52:40

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 52:41

oh

[jason_louis]: 52:41

we have to the very start is us making it culturally acceptable to do that

[chris_sherwin]: 52:46

right

[jason_louis]: 52:46

because if you think if you think in twenty

[shaun]: 52:48

m

[jason_louis]: 52:49

twenty two or twenty twenty three you can

[chris_sherwin]: 52:51

oh

[scott]: 52:51

i

[shaun]: 52:52

yeah

[jason_louis]: 52:52

you can say you can have a hard charging you know

[shaun]: 52:55

my

[jason_louis]: 52:55

um

[scott]: 52:55

oh

[jason_louis]: 52:56

you know

[shaun]: 52:56

ah

[jason_louis]: 52:57

you're out

[chris_sherwin]: 52:57

yeah

[jason_louis]: 52:57

there enforcing the law sort of mentality

[shaun]: 52:59

yeah yeah

[scott]: 53:00

oh

[jason_louis]: 53:00

it's not

[chris_sherwin]: 53:01

oh

[jason_louis]: 53:01

going to work you or your guys are going to get caught up in something that don't want to get caught up

[scott]: 53:05

m

[jason_louis]: 53:05

and you have

[shaun]: 53:06

right

[jason_louis]: 53:06

to change

[chris_sherwin]: 53:07

yeah

[shaun]: 53:07

and

[chris_sherwin]: 53:07

i

[shaun]: 53:07

you're

[chris_sherwin]: 53:07

mean

[shaun]: 53:07

gonna

[scott]: 53:07

hm

[shaun]: 53:07

lose him either way you're

[chris_sherwin]: 53:08

yeah

[shaun]: 53:08

gonna lose

[chris_sherwin]: 53:09

i mean

[shaun]: 53:09

the guys

[chris_sherwin]: 53:09

i think

[scott]: 53:09

yeah

[shaun]: 53:09

either

[jason_louis]: 53:09

yeah

[shaun]: 53:09

way

[chris_sherwin]: 53:10

yeah i mean i think you could be aggressive but you've also got to know

[jason_louis]: 53:12

yes

[chris_sherwin]: 53:12

when you know when

[jason_louis]: 53:14

ye

[shaun]: 53:14

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 53:14

what's practical what's reality

[jason_louis]: 53:16

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 53:17

and when

[jason_louis]: 53:17

professional

[chris_sherwin]: 53:17

is the time yeah and what is just and you've got to be

[scott]: 53:20

m

[chris_sherwin]: 53:20

professional and it is what

[shaun]: 53:21

yeah

[jason_louis]: 53:21

es

[chris_sherwin]: 53:22

you

[shaun]: 53:22

that's

[chris_sherwin]: 53:22

win some

[shaun]: 53:22

good

[chris_sherwin]: 53:22

you lose some today the

[scott]: 53:24

oh

[chris_sherwin]: 53:24

i got away okay

[shaun]: 53:25

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 53:25

ou know maybe next time or whatever why get white there's no reason to get upset about it

[shaun]: 53:30

yes

[chris_sherwin]: 53:30

and i think professionalism

[jason_louis]: 53:31

s

[chris_sherwin]: 53:31

and just learning every day is key

[jason_louis]: 53:34

yes yep

[shaun]: 53:35

one of the things jason real quick and

[scott]: 53:36

ah

[jason_louis]: 53:37

yeah

[shaun]: 53:37

we're getting close to wrapping his up here so it's

[scott]: 53:38

yeah

[shaun]: 53:38

a good note to end on because we started talking about this a little bit as practitioner of brazilian

[scott]: 53:43

yeah

[shaun]: 53:43

jugitsu and you've

[scott]: 53:44

oh

[shaun]: 53:44

got to the grace school that i mean that's a hard school to get in law enforcement

[chris_sherwin]: 53:48

yeah

[shaun]: 53:48

as a defensive tactics instructor

[scott]: 53:50

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 53:50

yeah

[shaun]: 53:51

one of the things i saw was like man

[chris_sherwin]: 53:52

oh

[shaun]: 53:52

i learned so much from my partner i really

[chris_sherwin]: 53:54

yeah

[scott]: 53:54

at

[shaun]: 53:54

knew that i had two guys that i worked with in my last gig in illinois

[scott]: 53:57

oh

[shaun]: 53:57

at the agency that we all worked with

[chris_sherwin]: 53:58

ah

[shaun]: 53:58

that taught me a lot about how to deal

[chris_sherwin]: 54:00

oh

[shaun]: 54:00

with my fear during a fight like you can't just go to dukes and be punching and kicking people and pulling tasers

[scott]: 54:05

oh

[shaun]: 54:05

out sometime you got to wrestle with people

[chris_sherwin]: 54:07

oh

[shaun]: 54:07

and i realized like

[scott]: 54:08

a

[shaun]: 54:08

oh my god this

[jason_louis]: 54:08

a

[shaun]: 54:08

can be

[scott]: 54:09

yeah

[shaun]: 54:09

so overwhelming at a time

[jason_louis]: 54:09

ah

[shaun]: 54:10

but

[scott]: 54:10

we

[shaun]: 54:10

you learn to deal with that fear but i also realize

[scott]: 54:12

no

[shaun]: 54:12

that to

[chris_sherwin]: 54:13

oh

[shaun]: 54:13

get really good at that that's

[scott]: 54:15

yes

[shaun]: 54:15

going to take a long time

[scott]: 54:16

oh

[shaun]: 54:16

jugitsu

[chris_sherwin]: 54:16

oh

[jason_louis]: 54:17

yeah

[shaun]: 54:17

is a very complex like you know

[scott]: 54:20

yeah

[shaun]: 54:21

sport of that level you know and i mean like it really is it's

[chris_sherwin]: 54:24

oh

[shaun]: 54:24

like

[jason_louis]: 54:24

yeah

[shaun]: 54:24

how to do that your thoughts on the realities of law

[chris_sherwin]: 54:27

oh

[shaun]: 54:28

enforcement being able

[scott]: 54:29

yeah

[shaun]: 54:29

to make that now this is going to be something

[chris_sherwin]: 54:31

oh

[shaun]: 54:31

because gugitzu is like those guys are like high priests you don't mess

[scott]: 54:35

oh

[shaun]: 54:35

around with that

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yeah

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stuff like

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m

[shaun]: 54:36

you really

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h

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got him good at that and

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m

[shaun]: 54:38

you

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ah

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got to stay committed to it

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oh

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like you know you

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well

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know

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you

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to

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don't

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get

[jason_louis]: 54:41

you

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a

[jason_louis]: 54:41

don't have to be you don't have to be a

[shaun]: 54:42

yeah

[jason_louis]: 54:42

black belt right

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right right

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we see we see videos

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h

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of officers who are just

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yes

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at like an upper white belt level you know

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which

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or

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is

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a

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the

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blue

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lowest

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belt

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level

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level

[scott]: 54:51

yeah

[jason_louis]: 54:52

yeah and

[scott]: 54:52

hm

[jason_louis]: 54:52

they're and they're they can dominate

[chris_sherwin]: 54:55

oh

[scott]: 54:56

hm

[jason_louis]: 54:56

the most suspects you know and they can do a

[chris_sherwin]: 54:59

oh

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very good job of it

[scott]: 55:00

oh

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and most of the time nobody

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yeah

[jason_louis]: 55:02

gets hurt

[shaun]: 55:03

my

[chris_sherwin]: 55:03

ah

[jason_louis]: 55:03

and the they are able to establish control

[scott]: 55:06

ah

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but

[chris_sherwin]: 55:07

oh

[jason_louis]: 55:07

in order to make even that a reality we need more funding for law enforcement

[chris_sherwin]: 55:11

right

[jason_louis]: 55:11

and we need better

[shaun]: 55:12

oh

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better

[scott]: 55:13

yeah

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mandates better requirements for

[scott]: 55:15

yeah

[jason_louis]: 55:16

the train ing that we do

[shaun]: 55:18

hm

[jason_louis]: 55:18

and that that

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eh

[scott]: 55:19

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 55:19

yeah

[jason_louis]: 55:20

whether it's jugitgitzu

[scott]: 55:21

m

[jason_louis]: 55:22

listen gito isn't just

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m

[jason_louis]: 55:23

ground training people think jugitzu

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ye

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is just all all

[scott]: 55:25

oh

[jason_louis]: 55:25

ground pased it's not it's

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oh

[shaun]: 55:26

yeah

[jason_louis]: 55:26

stand

[scott]: 55:27

hm

[jason_louis]: 55:27

up and it's ground

[shaun]: 55:28

yeah

[jason_louis]: 55:28

and i'm an gagitzi

[scott]: 55:29

yeah

[jason_louis]: 55:29

isn't the only thing you know there's other great systems out

[shaun]: 55:33

m

[jason_louis]: 55:33

there

[chris_sherwin]: 55:33

oh

[shaun]: 55:33

oh

[scott]: 55:34

oh

[jason_louis]: 55:34

that are good as well

[scott]: 55:36

yeah

[jason_louis]: 55:36

but

[chris_sherwin]: 55:38

yah

[jason_louis]: 55:39

no matter what no matter what system

[shaun]: 55:41

yeah

[jason_louis]: 55:41

you're using it has to be more than four

[shaun]: 55:43

oh

[jason_louis]: 55:43

hours every two years

[shaun]: 55:45

right

[scott]: 55:45

right that's

[shaun]: 55:45

right

[scott]: 55:46

for sure

[shaun]: 55:46

right

[chris_sherwin]: 55:46

right

[scott]: 55:46

yeah

[shaun]: 55:46

absolutely

[jason_louis]: 55:47

and that can only come that can only come from

[chris_sherwin]: 55:49

oh

[jason_louis]: 55:50

either officers willing to do it on their own time which for a long time i pushed

[shaun]: 55:55

m

[jason_louis]: 55:55

and it really upset me that officers didn't do that but the reality

[shaun]: 55:57

oh

[jason_louis]: 55:58

is most just are not going to do that

[chris_sherwin]: 56:00

right

[jason_louis]: 56:00

and

[scott]: 56:00

it

[jason_louis]: 56:01

there's no point

[shaun]: 56:01

yeah

[jason_louis]: 56:01

to be upset about that so

[shaun]: 56:03

yeah

[jason_louis]: 56:03

we need

[chris_sherwin]: 56:03

oh

[jason_louis]: 56:04

we need more ability

[shaun]: 56:05

yeah

[jason_louis]: 56:05

to train and requirements

[chris_sherwin]: 56:07

yeah

[scott]: 56:07

m

[jason_louis]: 56:07

to

[shaun]: 56:07

oh

[jason_louis]: 56:07

train and society needs to expect their

[shaun]: 56:09

yeah

[jason_louis]: 56:09

legislators to provide

[shaun]: 56:11

oh

[jason_louis]: 56:11

the funding to make

[shaun]: 56:12

yeah

[jason_louis]: 56:12

that happen

[chris_sherwin]: 56:12

yeah

[scott]: 56:13

absolutely yep

[chris_sherwin]: 56:13

i

[shaun]: 56:14

awesome

[chris_sherwin]: 56:14

agree

[shaun]: 56:14

that's great points appreciate you take your time that i serge to

[chris_sherwin]: 56:17

yeah

[shaun]: 56:17

talk with us

[scott]: 56:18

oh

[shaun]: 56:18

we'd love

[scott]: 56:19

yeah

[shaun]: 56:19

to have you back again we say that throw a lot of our guests

[scott]: 56:20

oh

[shaun]: 56:21

but we like learning things from other coasts as for

[scott]: 56:24

oh

[shaun]: 56:24

sure because you guy you've

[chris_sherwin]: 56:25

right

[shaun]: 56:25

definitely been out there in a lot

[scott]: 56:27

yeah

[shaun]: 56:27

of ways the tip

[scott]: 56:27

i

[shaun]: 56:27

of the spirit a lot of these things that a lot of the rest of the

[scott]: 56:29

i

[shaun]: 56:29

country is now see in california has always been a little ackier than every place else

[scott]: 56:32

yeah

[shaun]: 56:32

but it's also pretty cool too i mean you definitely get a lot of people

[jason_louis]: 56:35

ah

[shaun]: 56:35

that

[chris_sherwin]: 56:36

well

[shaun]: 56:36

like hey let's talk to you

[scott]: 56:37

ah

[shaun]: 56:37

guy that lives in a state that everybody supports and whatever he might be a little less like up on his game as you can see sergeant

[jason_louis]: 56:43

yeah

[scott]: 56:43

hm yeah

[shaun]: 56:45

he's just he's good at it and he understands he understands the reality of it because he's in that

[chris_sherwin]: 56:50

yeah

[shaun]: 56:50

literally for like turn battle every single day so

[chris_sherwin]: 56:53

yeah

[shaun]: 56:53

you know no a place

[scott]: 56:54

oh

[shaun]: 56:54

like california where these guys are at odds with the politicians and a lot of times that there at their population you can learn a lot

[jason_louis]: 57:00

yeah

[shaun]: 57:00

of good things from these guys because they're

[chris_sherwin]: 57:02

oh

[shaun]: 57:02

like again the tip of the spear if you were in the military would you go hey let's go talk to the guys hands and out checks in the green one or we just talk to the guy that's manning a

[scott]: 57:08

oh

[shaun]: 57:08

gun running in a convoy

[chris_sherwin]: 57:09

right

[shaun]: 57:09

every day getting lit

[scott]: 57:11

right

[shaun]: 57:11

up i mean that would be the guy you would talk to if you really wanted to know what was

[chris_sherwin]: 57:14

ah

[shaun]: 57:14

going on the ground would be the latter not the former

[chris_sherwin]: 57:16

m

[shaun]: 57:16

and that's exactly

[scott]: 57:16

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 57:17

my

[shaun]: 57:17

why we brought i starting louison under the show today to

[chris_sherwin]: 57:19

m

[shaun]: 57:19

kind of talk to us about some of the things that

[scott]: 57:21

yeah

[shaun]: 57:21

the rest of us are probably gonna be seeing here pretty soon so thanks

[chris_sherwin]: 57:24

yeah

[shaun]: 57:24

sore

[chris_sherwin]: 57:24

very

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i

[chris_sherwin]: 57:24

quick

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really

[chris_sherwin]: 57:25

thanks

[shaun]: 57:25

appreciate

[scott]: 57:25

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 57:25

sergeant

[shaun]: 57:25

it

[scott]: 57:25

thank

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appreciate

[scott]: 57:25

you very

[chris_sherwin]: 57:26

it

[scott]: 57:26

much

[chris_sherwin]: 57:26

hey sarge

[jason_louis]: 57:27

yeah

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plug

[jason_louis]: 57:27

thank you

[chris_sherwin]: 57:28

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[shaun]: 57:28

yeah

[chris_sherwin]: 57:28

plug your website and everything for everybody

[shaun]: 57:31

oh

[jason_louis]: 57:32

yeah so if you want to find me you can

[shaun]: 57:33

yeah

[jason_louis]: 57:33

go to the briefing room dot com

[chris_sherwin]: 57:35

yeah

[scott]: 57:36

oh

[jason_louis]: 57:36

and on the briefingrom dot com we

[chris_sherwin]: 57:37

m

[jason_louis]: 57:37

have some free videos

[scott]: 57:39

right

[chris_sherwin]: 57:39

m

[scott]: 57:39

oh

[jason_louis]: 57:39

we have free videos for supervisors for reducing use to force

[scott]: 57:44

yeah

[jason_louis]: 57:44

incidents on your shift

[shaun]: 57:45

m

[jason_louis]: 57:45

and free videos for administrators on reducing the liability that comes along with you so force incidents

[chris_sherwin]: 57:52

m

[jason_louis]: 57:53

and you can also find me on linked in at jason lewis l

[shaun]: 57:55

oh

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o u i s i put a lot of free training on there

[chris_sherwin]: 57:58

ah

[jason_louis]: 57:58

the main point is let's just we have to find innovative ways to train our people within

[shaun]: 58:03

what

[jason_louis]: 58:04

the budgets that we have

[chris_sherwin]: 58:05

oh

[shaun]: 58:05

oh

[jason_louis]: 58:06

and and that's what i want to do i want to

[chris_sherwin]: 58:07

m

[jason_louis]: 58:07

build exemplary

[scott]: 58:08

yeah

[jason_louis]: 58:09

peace officers and just trying to do it one day at a time

[shaun]: 58:13

awesome

[chris_sherwin]: 58:13

some

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appreciate

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sergeant

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thanks

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[jason_louis]: 58:16

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[chris_sherwin]: 58:41

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[shaun]: 58:42

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[chris_sherwin]: 58:42

everybody be safe and have a great evening

[shaun]: 58:45

all

[jason_louis]: 58:45

thank

[shaun]: 58:45

right

[jason_louis]: 58:45

you

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i say

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guys

[shaun]: 58:45

i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead and get that

[chris_sherwin]: 58:47

yeah

[shaun]: 58:47

one paragraph that i got all messed up i jus on cord it while all three of us here and i'm just going to edit that out and put it back

[scott]: 58:53

no

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in to the

[chris_sherwin]: 58:53

oh

[shaun]: 58:53

right spot it was the one where i was talking about the jugitzu right arch m

[scott]: 58:56

right

[chris_sherwin]: 58:56

oh

[shaun]: 58:57

wasn't it that

[jason_louis]: 58:58

what's

[shaun]: 58:58

one

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that

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i think i think that

[scott]: 58:59

you

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the

[scott]: 58:59

said you said

[shaun]: 59:01

which one was a scott

[scott]: 59:03

like proficiency or what was the

[shaun]: 59:05

yeah

[scott]: 59:05

what was what

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oh

[scott]: 59:06

was

[jason_louis]: 59:06

oh

[scott]: 59:07

it

[shaun]: 59:07

practitioner

[jason_louis]: 59:07

yeah

[scott]: 59:07

that you were saying

[shaun]: 59:07

practitioner

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practitioner

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m

[scott]: 59:09

that's what i

[shaun]: 59:09

okay

[scott]: 59:09

was practitioner

[shaun]: 59:10

it's just still gongokayou guys all good i'm just going to go

[jason_louis]: 59:13

ah

[shaun]: 59:13

like

[scott]: 59:13

yeah

[shaun]: 59:14

hey we're going back in time here so i can unfuck

[scott]: 59:15

yeah

[shaun]: 59:16

that situation all

[scott]: 59:17

yeah

[shaun]: 59:17

right

[jason_louis]: 59:17

hm

[shaun]: 59:18

in addition

[jason_louis]: 59:18

ah

[shaun]: 59:18

he's sitting member of his agencies use of force review board a certified for science annalist and enhanced force investigator strategy specialist a gracy survival tactics instructor and an avid practitioner of brazilian jitsu

[chris_sherwin]: 59:34

yeah yeah