95: An Officer Down Steps Back Up with Sergeant Laurie White (ret.) of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police

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hey folks welcome back to another episode of three cups talk this is sati am joined here today by

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yeah

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the thrifty norwegian you know i'm

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oh

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as scott ardan

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ye

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scott scott

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yeah

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is

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oh

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one of my best friends

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my

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in

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best

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the whole

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end

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world obviously chris can't make it today

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make

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he's

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yeah

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it

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got

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today

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some duties he's got to tend to um

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duty calls

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he calls

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duty

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duty

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calls

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calls

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duty

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yeah

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calls

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today's show it's got i was talking about before we started to show with our guest who is here with us and we'll introduce

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yeah

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her in a second but talked about you know

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you know

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what a fitting

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what

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day for

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fitting

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her to be

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day

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a guest on our show

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er

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it's a sad day but a fitting day at the same time but

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a

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really really

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really

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strong

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really

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woman the eyes of the world passed away today the queen of england as

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ah

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a descendant of

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hm

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did

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the irish

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oh

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it pains me at times to have to speak fondly of the crown but you know you got

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yeah

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a i respect that woman i mean

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oh

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longest serving

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longest

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monarch

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serving

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from

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monarch

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what i understand reluctantly didn't really

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yeah

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want

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yeah

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to be the queen for a eran and mind you

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nineteen

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i'm getting

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fifty

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this

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three

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three

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i

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yeah

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think they

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right

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said right fifty

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right

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three

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it's

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or fifty

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like

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four

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four

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yeah

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yeah

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you know i watched a little of that crown and i stopped because you know i'm a moth i can only pay attention to so many things for so long and

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and

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yeah

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i dropped out

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dropped

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after they talked

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ah

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about what is it prince philip

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yeah

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yeah

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is the husband who just recently passed i was like man that's the life

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oh

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you want to talk about

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yeah

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yeah

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having a sugar mama

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yeah

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a

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are you kidding me like he was a

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oh

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greek prince or something like that and you don't even look greek

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right

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and i'm like this is awesome

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this is

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it's

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a

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really weird

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oh

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that that's how europe you know before

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yeah

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it lost all of its power in the

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oh

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world

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power in the

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large

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world

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most of its power in the world was like it was all these monarchies marrying each other but she

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oh

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was an amazing

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he was

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character

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an amazing

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and

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character

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all that and

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and

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then

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all

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the strength that she showed throughout

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how

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that and you think to yourself

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you think

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like

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to yourself

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you can never escape

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you can never

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it

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escape

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i mean the crown clearly

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clearly

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you know contracted

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yeah

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track

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under her because colonialism and things like that went down but her story was pretty amazing you know it took even like

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even like

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when we were kids like where i grew up

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yah

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you know in new jersey there was quite a few how the refer him as the shanty

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oh

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irish

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and i

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generally

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yeah

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people that probably the crown

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hm

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was not very fond of any other irish

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m

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people weren't

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you right

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ely not fairly fond of but it was tough because you'd go into a bar

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don't

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where i grew up and he'd be a you know you

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m

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an empty pickle jar that was like donations for the

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a

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i r a so you couldn't speak fondly

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m

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of the crown in any way whatsoever

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m

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what

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where i grew up

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yeah

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there were so many irishmen

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irish

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ah

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you know all americans but you know everybody is an

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yeah

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irishman forever but you know it was interesting to say oh man what are the odds of that

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i didn't really

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i didn't

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realize

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realize

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that i didn't realize

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i didn't

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yeah

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it

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realize

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affected

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feted

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you so much

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you know

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it seems

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me

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like

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i'm

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it really affected

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definitely

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you so

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i'm definitely

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i mean

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a guy that you know like pay attention to things every now and then like

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i mean you do

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you

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like

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do like

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i was

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i

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watching

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was watching

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i watchd

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i

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a

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watched

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couple

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a

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minutes

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couple o

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of

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minutes

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it then

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of

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i'm

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it

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like

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then

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you

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i'm

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know

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like

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what

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you

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i

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know

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got

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what

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the

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i got

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m t

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the

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v

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m t

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music

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v music

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awards recorded

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or recorded

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i gotta

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right

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go

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i got

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watch

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to go

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right

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that

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watch

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right

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that

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exactly

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you know

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right

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you know

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right yeah right it's just like yeah if that's not right nothing is

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i'm

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i'm

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i am

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i

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that

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am

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new

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that

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generation

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new generation

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m

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of tik

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of

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tok

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tiktok

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nudes

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news

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where it's

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where

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like

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it's

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fifteen

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like fifteen

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seconds

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seconds

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and like

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i like

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yeah i

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yeah

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i'm

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i

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tired

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can

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of that

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of

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like

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that

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yea

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let's

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this

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watch

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is

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let's

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gonna

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watch

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be this is gonna be the news for a while just going to prepare this it's going to be in the news for a while it's going to unseat something

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un

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that we

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my

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were wasting our time paying attention

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i know

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to

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no

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this

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it's a

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is

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big

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going

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deal

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a

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to

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big

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be this is going to be a big deal it's going to be a big deal

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ay

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and her son

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ah

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her

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poor

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son

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guy seventy

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poor guy

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three gets to be like you guys die like but at seventy five i think that's a median age that men die he's gonna be like cream for like two years

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hm

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m

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you know what i mean they're not even on to change

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yeah

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the wall paper in there from

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be

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what

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held

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i understand

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two

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held

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years

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it two years

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right

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yeah

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yeah

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right exactly

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i would just

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i would

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go

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just

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crazy

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go crazy

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too if

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too

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i got

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if

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those

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i got

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two

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those

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years

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two

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like

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years like

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oh

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i'm just

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i've just

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but then his son gets

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having

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to

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everything

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having

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do it

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everything

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forever

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everything

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everything

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bounced

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paced

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m

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but you know

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but

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yeah

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you're on the wall you're

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on the

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on the

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wall

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place it's like playing

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yeah

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for the stanley cup your name is on the cup you know they can't take it off you know and i mean the bottom line

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i

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you

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was

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get

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there

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i

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there

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was there

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it there doesn't really matter

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yeah

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so many guys that you meet a

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yeah

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he's not that good but his name is actually on the stanley cup that's what he gets

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the

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to say

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batteries there

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but that being said

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as

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we've gone

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we've

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to the

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gone

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north

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to the

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the

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north

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north of us canada canada you know a great place we talked about this a lot policing

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policing

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in the united

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in the

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states

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united

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is influenced a great deal by canadian trainers like some of the best trainers

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the best

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i've ever

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i've

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experienced

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ever

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were you know from canadian police department particularly the royal canadian mounted police which is the r

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oh

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m c p i always get it

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i

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wrong

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get it wrong

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on

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m

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our c m p

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oh

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r p

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r

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m c like

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c

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just the mounts

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mon

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let's just go with that

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was

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because that's

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ah

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what most

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at

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american kids were raised on dudley

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yeah

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dora and that's what we know about

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but

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this but it was always fascinating

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always fascinating

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to me to be like

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to

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yeah

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me to lie

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i really want to get

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really

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to

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want

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know

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to

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that a

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know

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little bit

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that

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more

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a

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because

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more

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you and i went

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you

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to

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and

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a

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i

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grow

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went to

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up class scott remember that we went to that was tough by a mount

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yeah yeah

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a

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that

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yeah

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dude

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yeah

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and i was like you know mimi of

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that

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a

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was

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mount

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awesome

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hat was awesome

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he was more like a biker

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more like

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than he was like a mount but it was like really cool and that guy

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right

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taught us so much stuff

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much

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about grows

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oh

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grow

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and how much they do

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much

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with the biker gangs up there and everthinglik that were like

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really

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we just thought it

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just

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was like everybody

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oh

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is like super nice to each

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nice

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other and there are really no problems

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yeah

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and

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that's

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people

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the right

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didn't

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that's

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thought

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what i

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to

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thought

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remember

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to remember

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right

[scott]: 4:43

yeah

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and and then then obviously for science is all canadian instructors like for science is a huge

[scott]: 4:48

yeah

[shaun]: 4:49

structure certification that people have in the united

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in

[shaun]: 4:53

states that

[laurie_white]: 4:53

states

[shaun]: 4:53

they you know put up on their walls

[laurie_white]: 4:55

i found her

[shaun]: 4:55

in their

[laurie_white]: 4:55

all

[shaun]: 4:55

offices and that's run by

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i

[shaun]: 4:58

the founder of it was a

[scott]: 4:59

oh

[shaun]: 4:59

canadian and still is from my understanding i guess that doesn't wash you off really very

[scott]: 5:02

now

[shaun]: 5:02

easily

[scott]: 5:02

the

[shaun]: 5:03

once your canadian really nice the funniest thing that we having to be

[laurie_white]: 5:05

the

[shaun]: 5:05

a class that i did with canadian structure was what

[laurie_white]: 5:09

i

[shaun]: 5:09

is the quickest

[scott]: 5:10

yeah

[laurie_white]: 5:10

the

[shaun]: 5:10

way

[laurie_white]: 5:10

quickest

[shaun]: 5:11

to

[laurie_white]: 5:11

way

[shaun]: 5:11

get four canadians

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to canadians

[shaun]: 5:12

out of a hot

[laurie_white]: 5:12

out

[shaun]: 5:12

tub

[laurie_white]: 5:12

of

[shaun]: 5:13

where like like somebody was going

[scott]: 5:15

ah

[shaun]: 5:15

t say somethin like poor beer in their p poor up there like just ask

[scott]: 5:19

yeah

[shaun]: 5:19

that was

[laurie_white]: 5:19

yeah

[shaun]: 5:19

the joke they get get out okay that's it i bust up laughing i like that's not funny i'm like no if you

[scott]: 5:25

right

[shaun]: 5:25

got to get it there very cerebral some

[scott]: 5:27

yeah

[shaun]: 5:27

of the

[scott]: 5:27

that

[shaun]: 5:27

funniest

[scott]: 5:27

is that

[shaun]: 5:28

people

[scott]: 5:28

actually

[shaun]: 5:28

in the world

[scott]: 5:28

is

[shaun]: 5:28

are

[scott]: 5:29

funny

[shaun]: 5:29

canadians like you look at a lot of

[laurie_white]: 5:30

look

[shaun]: 5:30

actors

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at a lot of

[shaun]: 5:31

it stays and you're like go back and where they were from

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the from

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generally a lot

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ally

[shaun]: 5:34

of them

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a lot

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started

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of

[shaun]: 5:35

in canada there are really really

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all

[shaun]: 5:37

funny people up there

[scott]: 5:38

oh

[shaun]: 5:39

and i guess like when it snows and it's so cold and you our guest is going to tell us a little bit

[scott]: 5:44

except

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more about

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some

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that

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anthem

[laurie_white]: 5:45

up

[shaun]: 5:47

what's that what do

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except

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you say

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samanthebnshe

[laurie_white]: 5:50

except some at

[scott]: 5:50

a comedian

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the

[shaun]: 5:51

yeah

[scott]: 5:51

from she's

[laurie_white]: 5:51

comedian

[scott]: 5:51

she's

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from

[scott]: 5:52

a comedian

[laurie_white]: 5:52

she's

[scott]: 5:52

from canada

[laurie_white]: 5:52

a comedian

[shaun]: 5:52

yeah

[scott]: 5:53

right

[laurie_white]: 5:53

from canada

[shaun]: 5:53

she's

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right

[scott]: 5:53

you can

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a little

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have

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you can have

[scott]: 5:54

you

[shaun]: 5:54

she

[scott]: 5:54

can

[shaun]: 5:54

had

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take

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to

[scott]: 5:55

that

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show

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you

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take

[shaun]: 5:55

but

[scott]: 5:55

can

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not

[scott]: 5:55

take

[shaun]: 5:55

any

[scott]: 5:55

her

[shaun]: 5:55

more

[scott]: 5:55

back

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take

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and

[laurie_white]: 5:56

her

[shaun]: 5:56

i guess we can say we're happier for that but let's get into

[laurie_white]: 5:59

let's

[shaun]: 5:59

our guest

[laurie_white]: 5:59

get

[shaun]: 5:59

today as

[laurie_white]: 6:00

to

[shaun]: 6:00

a retired

[scott]: 6:00

oh

[shaun]: 6:01

royal canadian mounted police officer was shot

[laurie_white]: 6:03

shot

[shaun]: 6:03

on duty

[laurie_white]: 6:04

on

[shaun]: 6:04

in nineteen

[laurie_white]: 6:04

duty in

[shaun]: 6:04

ninety eight in british columbia

[laurie_white]: 6:06

a

[shaun]: 6:06

while she was attempting to execute a warrant on a suspected

[laurie_white]: 6:08

it

[shaun]: 6:09

sex

[scott]: 6:09

oh

[shaun]: 6:09

offender her injuries were

[laurie_white]: 6:11

injuries

[shaun]: 6:11

so severe

[laurie_white]: 6:11

were so

[shaun]: 6:11

that her lower leg had to be amputated

[scott]: 6:13

m m

[shaun]: 6:14

and do that harrowing experience

[laurie_white]: 6:15

or

[shaun]: 6:15

she see kenly was diagnosed with post dramatic stress disorder the good side of that is only ten

[laurie_white]: 6:20

that is

[shaun]: 6:20

months

[laurie_white]: 6:20

only

[shaun]: 6:20

later

[laurie_white]: 6:20

ten months

[shaun]: 6:21

after

[laurie_white]: 6:21

later

[shaun]: 6:21

amputation she made a successful and unprecedented

[laurie_white]: 6:23

on

[shaun]: 6:24

return to full unrestricted policing duties which for anybody

[laurie_white]: 6:28

an

[shaun]: 6:28

is amazing

[laurie_white]: 6:29

amazing

[shaun]: 6:30

um her shooting

[scott]: 6:31

oh

[shaun]: 6:32

was high profile

[laurie_white]: 6:32

what

[shaun]: 6:32

event in canadian media

[laurie_white]: 6:34

media

[shaun]: 6:34

and she's been honored with several awards including the prestigious governor generals meritorious service medal as wel as the medal of valor from the international association of women police she retired in january twenty twenty and a last year she wrote a memoir

[laurie_white]: 6:50

the

[shaun]: 6:50

about the incident in er xperience is called ten thirty three an officer down stepped back up so folks please take the time here to

[laurie_white]: 6:58

i'm

[shaun]: 6:58

welcome

[laurie_white]: 6:58

here

[shaun]: 6:58

our guest retired sergeant of the royal canadian mounted police the r c m

[laurie_white]: 7:04

c

[shaun]: 7:04

p laurie wait laurie thanks for being he we appreciate you taking

[scott]: 7:08

welcome

[shaun]: 7:08

some time out

[scott]: 7:08

aca

[shaun]: 7:08

for us

[laurie_white]: 7:09

thank you

[shaun]: 7:10

from

[laurie_white]: 7:10

for having me

[shaun]: 7:11

from your time to talk about this

[scott]: 7:12

yeah

[shaun]: 7:12

so let's start

[laurie_white]: 7:14

let's

[shaun]: 7:14

with

[laurie_white]: 7:14

tart

[shaun]: 7:14

where

[laurie_white]: 7:14

with

[shaun]: 7:14

you

[scott]: 7:14

what

[laurie_white]: 7:15

where

[shaun]: 7:15

want to

[laurie_white]: 7:15

you

[shaun]: 7:15

start

[laurie_white]: 7:15

want to

[shaun]: 7:15

your journey

[laurie_white]: 7:16

your

[shaun]: 7:16

and becoming a member oh of course a police force that's not so well known

[laurie_white]: 7:22

well

[shaun]: 7:22

in the world

[laurie_white]: 7:22

known in the world

[shaun]: 7:22

like the red tunics and the riding pants and the cool boots it's like when you're a kid you're like oh i want to be that there like

[scott]: 7:29

m

[shaun]: 7:29

there i can and i'm not allowed

[scott]: 7:30

oh

[shaun]: 7:30

to be that so i've got to do something

[scott]: 7:32

ah

[laurie_white]: 7:32

i got

[shaun]: 7:32

as close to that as possible and i had to join the military so it was kind of cool so tell us a little bit about your journey what it was like how you were born to raise like how you came to that

[laurie_white]: 7:42

so thanks for having me

[scott]: 7:43

m

[laurie_white]: 7:43

i appreciate the opportunity due

[scott]: 7:45

oh

[laurie_white]: 7:45

to chat with you guys i grew up about an hour outside of autoa in a smaller town and

[shaun]: 7:50

hm

[laurie_white]: 7:50

i really had never given placing any consideration it was not

[shaun]: 7:53

m

[laurie_white]: 7:53

on my raider i did to university

[shaun]: 7:55

oh

[laurie_white]: 7:56

degrees thinking that i was going to be a phyzet

[shaun]: 7:58

m

[laurie_white]: 7:58

teacher and when i was doing

[scott]: 8:00

m

[laurie_white]: 8:00

a substitute teaching class

[scott]: 8:02

ah

[laurie_white]: 8:03

of grade nine mostly

[scott]: 8:04

oh

[laurie_white]: 8:04

boys twenty three i

[shaun]: 8:05

oh

[laurie_white]: 8:05

seen three girls i was twenty one and i was

[shaun]: 8:07

oh

[laurie_white]: 8:08

substitute teaching

[scott]: 8:09

m

[laurie_white]: 8:09

and it was a very

[shaun]: 8:10

m

[laurie_white]: 8:10

long painful

[scott]: 8:10

my

[laurie_white]: 8:11

seventy five minute class and finally

[shaun]: 8:13

oh

[scott]: 8:13

yeah

[laurie_white]: 8:13

the bell

[shaun]: 8:14

m

[laurie_white]: 8:14

the bell rang i had no material or anything like that it's just sitting

[scott]: 8:18

ah

[laurie_white]: 8:19

bell finally rang and

[shaun]: 8:19

oh

[laurie_white]: 8:19

i went to turn

[scott]: 8:20

yeah

[laurie_white]: 8:20

off the light and

[scott]: 8:22

my

[laurie_white]: 8:22

close the class room door and one of the great nine boys slap me on the

[scott]: 8:25

m

[laurie_white]: 8:25

ass and he ran off down

[scott]: 8:27

oh

[laurie_white]: 8:27

the hall

[shaun]: 8:28

for real

[laurie_white]: 8:29

so

[shaun]: 8:29

m

[laurie_white]: 8:30

i chased them because you can't do that

[shaun]: 8:34

no

[laurie_white]: 8:34

so i chased

[scott]: 8:34

right

[laurie_white]: 8:34

him and i caught him and i grabbed him by the scrap of the neck and i kind of chucked him up against the lockers and then i decided you know what maybe teaching is

[scott]: 8:40

yeah

[laurie_white]: 8:40

not for me

[scott]: 8:41

yeah

[laurie_white]: 8:41

yeah a

[shaun]: 8:43

and maybe slapping women on the ass isn't for him you know i mean

[laurie_white]: 8:45

exactly

[shaun]: 8:45

hopefully he learned you good for you

[laurie_white]: 8:48

anyway i am it was actually right in that timing that was not the reason that i decided to change and become a police officer but that's definitely when i decided that teaching was not really in my future so

[shaun]: 8:59

hm

[laurie_white]: 8:59

i promptly finished my master's degree instead of

[shaun]: 9:02

m

[laurie_white]: 9:02

doing my

[scott]: 9:03

m

[laurie_white]: 9:03

teaching

[shaun]: 9:04

oh

[laurie_white]: 9:04

certificate in degree um

[scott]: 9:06

m

[laurie_white]: 9:06

and i moved back in with my parents

[scott]: 9:08

m

[shaun]: 9:08

m

[laurie_white]: 9:08

so there i was at twenty three with two degrees

[shaun]: 9:10

oh

[scott]: 9:10

oh

[laurie_white]: 9:10

and no job that was anything

[scott]: 9:13

yeah

[laurie_white]: 9:13

permanent and i

[shaun]: 9:14

hm

[laurie_white]: 9:14

definitely

[scott]: 9:14

yeah

[laurie_white]: 9:14

did not want to be sitting in my parents spacemen so i kept myself really busy i was substitute teaching i

[shaun]: 9:19

yeah

[laurie_white]: 9:19

was a fitness instructor i was a skating coach

[shaun]: 9:21

oh

[laurie_white]: 9:22

and i was a bartender and a very good one that

[shaun]: 9:24

m

[laurie_white]: 9:24

and i

[shaun]: 9:25

m

[laurie_white]: 9:25

m

[scott]: 9:25

nice

[shaun]: 9:26

yeah

[laurie_white]: 9:26

and while i was teaching

[scott]: 9:29

yeah

[shaun]: 9:29

m

[laurie_white]: 9:29

at the y m c a

[scott]: 9:30

yeah

[laurie_white]: 9:30

in my home town i met a local

[shaun]: 9:32

m

[laurie_white]: 9:32

police officer and i grew up in a town where it's on the border

[scott]: 9:35

ye

[laurie_white]: 9:35

you can see the united states from

[shaun]: 9:37

m

[laurie_white]: 9:37

from our town and so in that smaller town we

[shaun]: 9:41

oh

[laurie_white]: 9:41

had our own city force and then

[shaun]: 9:44

m

[laurie_white]: 9:44

ontario has its own provincial plot

[scott]: 9:46

oh

[laurie_white]: 9:47

provincial

[shaun]: 9:47

hm

[laurie_white]: 9:47

police force and the person

[shaun]: 9:49

oh

[laurie_white]: 9:50

i met was r c m p and so i was intrigued by what he did because

[shaun]: 9:53

m

[laurie_white]: 9:53

you didn't really see them very often there en't very many

[scott]: 9:55

m

[laurie_white]: 9:55

that

[shaun]: 9:55

m

[laurie_white]: 9:55

were posted in my home town

[scott]: 9:57

m

[laurie_white]: 9:57

and so they did more border

[shaun]: 9:58

m

[laurie_white]: 9:59

tom's kind of type you know federal

[shaun]: 10:02

okay

[laurie_white]: 10:02

drug types files and

[scott]: 10:03

yeah

[laurie_white]: 10:03

things

[scott]: 10:03

right

[shaun]: 10:04

ah

[laurie_white]: 10:04

and so i was yeah so i was intrigued by that and so he said to me you know

[scott]: 10:08

ah

[laurie_white]: 10:08

laura your you're going your your fit like maybe you should give that some

[shaun]: 10:11

yeah

[laurie_white]: 10:11

thought and

[scott]: 10:13

yeah

[laurie_white]: 10:13

he planted the seed and i pursued it

[scott]: 10:15

m

[laurie_white]: 10:15

and that's exactly what i did and i applied i think it was

[scott]: 10:18

m

[laurie_white]: 10:18

january of nineteen ninety five and i was at training

[scott]: 10:20

m

[laurie_white]: 10:21

in so sketch one by august

[shaun]: 10:23

okay

[scott]: 10:23

wow

[shaun]: 10:24

okay

[scott]: 10:24

as quick

[shaun]: 10:24

how long was it training then

[laurie_white]: 10:26

training for everyone in the camp is six months

[shaun]: 10:29

okay

[laurie_white]: 10:29

everyone has has that base line

[shaun]: 10:31

m

[laurie_white]: 10:32

unless you've patched over from a different police four so everyone has to go to rejinus catch on and

[scott]: 10:37

m

[laurie_white]: 10:37

live it's para military style training

[shaun]: 10:40

m

[laurie_white]: 10:40

base

[shaun]: 10:40

m

[laurie_white]: 10:41

and so everyone in the r p has done that it's kind of the equalizer and so when i got there

[scott]: 10:45

hm

[laurie_white]: 10:46

despite

[shaun]: 10:46

m

[laurie_white]: 10:46

the fact that i wasn't one of those

[scott]: 10:47

m

[laurie_white]: 10:47

people who

[shaun]: 10:47

yeah

[laurie_white]: 10:48

had always desperately wanted to be a police officer i was

[shaun]: 10:51

m

[laurie_white]: 10:51

all in i was

[shaun]: 10:52

m

[laurie_white]: 10:52

loving it and

[scott]: 10:53

ah

[laurie_white]: 10:53

i was really passionate

[shaun]: 10:54

yeah

[laurie_white]: 10:54

it was just

[scott]: 10:55

yeah

[shaun]: 10:55

yeah

[laurie_white]: 10:56

i felt

[shaun]: 10:56

oh

[laurie_white]: 10:56

a little bit guilty

[scott]: 10:57

yeah

[laurie_white]: 10:57

in some respects because people would say how did

[shaun]: 10:59

ah

[laurie_white]: 10:59

you arrive here one of the people in my troop he had been applying to be in the rcnpcenc

[shaun]: 11:04

oh

[laurie_white]: 11:04

was eighteen and he was thirty six like that's some serious

[shaun]: 11:06

oh

[laurie_white]: 11:07

dedication

[shaun]: 11:07

sounds

[laurie_white]: 11:07

right and

[shaun]: 11:07

like

[scott]: 11:08

well

[laurie_white]: 11:08

here's

[shaun]: 11:08

me

[laurie_white]: 11:08

me

[shaun]: 11:08

sounds like

[laurie_white]: 11:09

twenty

[shaun]: 11:09

me

[laurie_white]: 11:09

five and yeah uh

[shaun]: 11:13

good for him though i guess you know he finally got it i guess

[scott]: 11:16

yeah

[laurie_white]: 11:16

yeah

[scott]: 11:16

somebody will

[laurie_white]: 11:16

some

[scott]: 11:16

finally

[laurie_white]: 11:17

family

[scott]: 11:17

pick

[shaun]: 11:17

yeah

[scott]: 11:17

you

[laurie_white]: 11:17

pick

[scott]: 11:17

up that they say the

[laurie_white]: 11:19

see

[scott]: 11:19

seventeenth

[laurie_white]: 11:19

the

[scott]: 11:19

char try s the charm

[shaun]: 11:21

and he's thirty six and you're what twenty how old twenty

[scott]: 11:24

yah

[laurie_white]: 11:24

i was

[shaun]: 11:24

four at this

[laurie_white]: 11:25

twenty

[shaun]: 11:25

and you're

[laurie_white]: 11:26

five

[shaun]: 11:26

just like

[laurie_white]: 11:26

but

[shaun]: 11:26

you

[scott]: 11:27

h

[shaun]: 11:27

have running

[laurie_white]: 11:27

but

[shaun]: 11:27

circles

[laurie_white]: 11:27

i had just

[shaun]: 11:27

around

[laurie_white]: 11:27

applied

[shaun]: 11:28

a guy

[laurie_white]: 11:28

like within months right

[shaun]: 11:29

yeah

[laurie_white]: 11:29

so

[shaun]: 11:29

right

[laurie_white]: 11:29

it was just much difference

[scott]: 11:31

yeah

[laurie_white]: 11:31

situation but

[shaun]: 11:32

oh

[laurie_white]: 11:32

i was all in

[shaun]: 11:35

do they route you

[scott]: 11:35

yeah

[shaun]: 11:36

with the monte man you know is it bad they all monies like you like you know you

[laurie_white]: 11:39

no

[shaun]: 11:39

like say do they like say

[laurie_white]: 11:41

they

[shaun]: 11:41

alright you're

[laurie_white]: 11:42

say

[shaun]: 11:42

going

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a

[shaun]: 11:42

to

[laurie_white]: 11:42

right

[shaun]: 11:42

go

[laurie_white]: 11:42

you're

[shaun]: 11:42

in this

[laurie_white]: 11:42

going

[shaun]: 11:42

track

[laurie_white]: 11:43

go on this

[shaun]: 11:43

or your

[laurie_white]: 11:43

racwreyo're

[shaun]: 11:43

going a deal with

[laurie_white]: 11:43

goin

[shaun]: 11:44

narcotics

[laurie_white]: 11:44

deal

[shaun]: 11:44

you're going to deal

[laurie_white]: 11:44

you're

[shaun]: 11:45

with

[laurie_white]: 11:45

going to deal with

[shaun]: 11:45

this or is it just

[laurie_white]: 11:46

so

[shaun]: 11:46

you go you

[laurie_white]: 11:47

you

[shaun]: 11:47

go

[laurie_white]: 11:47

go

[shaun]: 11:47

to a field

[laurie_white]: 11:47

you go to

[shaun]: 11:47

office

[laurie_white]: 11:47

a field

[shaun]: 11:48

and

[laurie_white]: 11:48

of

[shaun]: 11:48

then you just work whatever the work is there and you

[laurie_white]: 11:50

there

[shaun]: 11:50

do it

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and you do so when you sign up you sign on the dotted line to say that you will go anywhere

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m

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in the country and

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right

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oh

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they kind of lead you to believe that you have

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m

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a little bit of say

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m

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but given that i put

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yeah

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my vines to be

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m

[laurie_white]: 12:05

number one was ontario

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yeah

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yah

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number two

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ye

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was alberta and number three was b

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oh

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c and i am in b c so

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no

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i didn't really have

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m

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any say

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m

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but they kind of led me to believe that i

[shaun]: 12:15

yeah

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it

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are

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so

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there

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whatever

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ones that

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m

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are more

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they

[scott]: 12:18

yeah

[shaun]: 12:18

are there one

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you

[shaun]: 12:19

that

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go ahead

[shaun]: 12:19

are more desirable than others to like

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well i know

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like

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it

[shaun]: 12:21

the

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all

[shaun]: 12:21

agencies

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depends on your background

[shaun]: 12:22

yeah

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you know some people want to go back to rural suscatch one or or they want to go back to the east coast

[shaun]: 12:28

m

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or some people want to stay like surrey where i currently live is a very big

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m

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growing city and

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h

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so some people want

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m

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to go

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oh

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to training and then come back

[scott]: 12:35

yeah

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and and police in

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ah

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their city so it's

[scott]: 12:38

yeah

[laurie_white]: 12:38

it's everyone's got

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m

[laurie_white]: 12:39

a whole different um agenda

[shaun]: 12:42

oh

[scott]: 12:42

yeah

[laurie_white]: 12:42

and there are so many different opportunities because

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m

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the camp does do the federal side they do the provincial side in some provinces and

[shaun]: 12:50

hm

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then they do

[scott]: 12:51

hm

[laurie_white]: 12:51

municipal policing

[shaun]: 12:53

oh

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in some places as well

[scott]: 12:54

yeah

[laurie_white]: 12:54

so it's pretty diverse and the number of opportunities

[shaun]: 12:56

m

[laurie_white]: 12:57

are just i mean it's it's vere very difficult to wrap your head around the different possibilities

[scott]: 13:01

yeah

[laurie_white]: 13:02

that you can do within this organization is just huge

[shaun]: 13:05

are they the

[scott]: 13:05

once

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old

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you get

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once you

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a signed

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get a science

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somewhere

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somewhere

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are you able to put

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you

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in

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able to put it

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for like a transfer

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like a transfer

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m

[scott]: 13:11

or to go

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or

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to

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go

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somewhere else

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somewhere

[scott]: 13:12

how does

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ledoeshayeah

[scott]: 13:12

that work

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so a good question so for me i got assigned to b c so i

[shaun]: 13:17

m

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knew it was coming to b c then they

[shaun]: 13:19

yeah

[laurie_white]: 13:19

sent me to kidimat so not but

[shaun]: 13:21

yeah

[laurie_white]: 13:21

my first posting was kiametandkidamet

[shaun]: 13:23

yeah

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this town of about

[shaun]: 13:24

yeah

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ten thousand people up in northern b c

[shaun]: 13:26

oh

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and so at that time kiama

[shaun]: 13:28

yeah

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because it was small

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yeah

[laurie_white]: 13:30

and they were at that time kind of against going

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m

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back to your home town they didn't really want

[shaun]: 13:35

m

[laurie_white]: 13:35

those pre existing relationships with the people in the

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right

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community and that kind of thing

[shaun]: 13:38

right

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m

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and so they sent me there

[shaun]: 13:40

oh

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and at that time it was a

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yeah

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five year

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m

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l

[shaun]: 13:43

yeah

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d p they called it a limited duration post some of the

[shaun]: 13:45

oh

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maybe less desirable

[scott]: 13:46

m

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places

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m

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have a time

[shaun]: 13:49

m

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frame attached to it and so i

[shaun]: 13:50

oh

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knew going

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m

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in that it would be five years and then

[shaun]: 13:53

yeah

[scott]: 13:53

m

[laurie_white]: 13:53

once you do your time in

[scott]: 13:54

m

[laurie_white]: 13:54

some of those less desirable places

[scott]: 13:56

yeah

[shaun]: 13:56

oh

[laurie_white]: 13:57

you can usually have

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m

[laurie_white]: 13:58

a bit more say in where you go so it can be a

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m

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bit of a right of passage

[shaun]: 14:03

m

[laurie_white]: 14:03

to and it can certainly

[scott]: 14:04

yeah

[laurie_white]: 14:04

be a stepping

[shaun]: 14:04

yeah

[laurie_white]: 14:05

stone to do something different

[scott]: 14:07

oh

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or whatever your

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m

[scott]: 14:08

yah

[laurie_white]: 14:08

interests and passions were

[shaun]: 14:10

so kid

[scott]: 14:10

i was

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him

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going

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i

[scott]: 14:11

to

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at

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was

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say

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gonna

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do they

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say do they

[shaun]: 14:13

it's

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do

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gone

[scott]: 14:13

they have

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they

[scott]: 14:13

a lot

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have

[scott]: 14:13

of specialties

[laurie_white]: 14:13

a lot of specialties

[scott]: 14:14

within

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within

[scott]: 14:14

the within

[shaun]: 14:15

m

[laurie_white]: 14:15

within

[scott]: 14:15

the organization

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the organization

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i mean

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i

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for

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mean for

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all difenlike

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all

[scott]: 14:17

you said

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you

[shaun]: 14:17

m

[scott]: 14:17

narcotics

[laurie_white]: 14:17

said narcotics

[scott]: 14:18

investigations

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investigations

[scott]: 14:19

is the what

[shaun]: 14:19

oh

[scott]: 14:20

kind

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at

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of

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kind

[scott]: 14:20

different

[laurie_white]: 14:20

of different

[scott]: 14:20

things are

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things

[scott]: 14:20

the that you can do

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you can

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within

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do

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thee

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with the

[scott]: 14:22

organization

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organization

[shaun]: 14:23

oh

[laurie_white]: 14:23

literally any kind of policing

[scott]: 14:24

yeah

[shaun]: 14:24

yeah

[laurie_white]: 14:24

is here there's everything from

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m

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strategic

[scott]: 14:27

oh

[laurie_white]: 14:27

planning there's

[shaun]: 14:28

ah

[laurie_white]: 14:29

general duty policing which

[shaun]: 14:30

oh

[laurie_white]: 14:30

is anything

[scott]: 14:31

oh

[laurie_white]: 14:31

as you know there's drugs there's federal enforcement

[shaun]: 14:34

oh

[laurie_white]: 14:34

on there's money laundering

[shaun]: 14:37

my

[laurie_white]: 14:37

i mean they're just

[scott]: 14:37

ah

[laurie_white]: 14:38

every kind of fleecing

[shaun]: 14:39

m

[laurie_white]: 14:39

you can do it within the p

[shaun]: 14:41

now

[scott]: 14:41

nice

[shaun]: 14:42

kidamatis as a

[scott]: 14:43

ah

[shaun]: 14:43

demographic brekwlheres whati'm picturing in my mind you're living in a log

[laurie_white]: 14:46

in

[shaun]: 14:46

cabin and you're shooting bears

[laurie_white]: 14:48

bears

[shaun]: 14:48

and getting beaver pelts and you're dealing like with oil rig workers or something like like that's what i know of

[scott]: 14:54

yeah

[shaun]: 14:54

that area like what is it like is it completely different and might maybe close i don't know

[laurie_white]: 14:59

there are no oil rigs in kidamat there were three big plants there

[scott]: 15:03

ah

[laurie_white]: 15:03

but there are bears not

[shaun]: 15:05

m

[laurie_white]: 15:05

polar bears

[scott]: 15:05

yeah

[laurie_white]: 15:05

but there

[shaun]: 15:05

m oh

[laurie_white]: 15:06

were bears um lots of snow

[scott]: 15:08

ah

[shaun]: 15:08

h

[laurie_white]: 15:08

like one night i remember snowing four feet over night four

[scott]: 15:11

ah

[shaun]: 15:11

wow

[laurie_white]: 15:11

feet i lost

[scott]: 15:13

oh my

[laurie_white]: 15:13

no

[scott]: 15:13

god

[shaun]: 15:14

we used to complain about illinois

[scott]: 15:15

for right

[shaun]: 15:16

i guess

[laurie_white]: 15:16

right

[shaun]: 15:16

we can't somebody's

[laurie_white]: 15:18

yeah

[shaun]: 15:18

always get

[laurie_white]: 15:19

i mean

[shaun]: 15:19

work

[laurie_white]: 15:19

it was a smaller town for sure and

[shaun]: 15:21

yah

[laurie_white]: 15:21

very because of the plants there and the industry

[scott]: 15:25

oh

[laurie_white]: 15:26

people

[shaun]: 15:26

m

[laurie_white]: 15:26

made a lot of money so i was kind of

[scott]: 15:28

yeah

[laurie_white]: 15:28

when i first

[shaun]: 15:28

m

[laurie_white]: 15:28

got sent there i was twenty by that time and i was

[shaun]: 15:31

m

[laurie_white]: 15:31

thinking wow you know i've two degrees and i'm i don't even know what i made at

[shaun]: 15:34

m

[laurie_white]: 15:34

the start but not very much money and certainly

[shaun]: 15:36

yeah

[laurie_white]: 15:36

everyone there straight at a high school they were making a

[scott]: 15:38

oh

[laurie_white]: 15:38

hell of a lot more money than i was

[shaun]: 15:40

m right

[scott]: 15:40

oh

[shaun]: 15:41

what was the

[laurie_white]: 15:41

lot

[shaun]: 15:41

what

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of disposable

[shaun]: 15:41

was the work

[laurie_white]: 15:42

income

[shaun]: 15:42

what was the

[laurie_white]: 15:43

so

[shaun]: 15:43

work

[laurie_white]: 15:43

they

[shaun]: 15:43

that

[laurie_white]: 15:43

had a luminum smelter there and they had a pulp and paper mill and they had a methonal gas plant

[shaun]: 15:48

uh

[laurie_white]: 15:48

those were the three main

[scott]: 15:49

yah

[laurie_white]: 15:49

employers at that time so it

[shaun]: 15:51

oh

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was

[scott]: 15:51

no m

[shaun]: 15:54

a

[laurie_white]: 15:54

you know pretty bustling really

[shaun]: 15:56

right

[laurie_white]: 15:56

quiet

[scott]: 15:56

yeah

[laurie_white]: 15:56

because it was ten thousand people but bustling for a town of that size

[scott]: 16:00

yeah

[shaun]: 16:01

now in canada i mean there are other provinces

[scott]: 16:03

yeah

[shaun]: 16:04

and areas that are more pro police than anti police it's like the mindset of like you could have

[laurie_white]: 16:09

god have

[shaun]: 16:09

the illusion to the

[laurie_white]: 16:10

illusion

[shaun]: 16:10

united

[laurie_white]: 16:10

to

[shaun]: 16:10

states

[laurie_white]: 16:10

the

[shaun]: 16:10

people are pro police because they like their freedoms but in the same

[laurie_white]: 16:13

in

[shaun]: 16:13

sense

[laurie_white]: 16:14

the same sense

[shaun]: 16:14

they don't want anybody messing with them whatsoever they become more problematic and a lot of levels for us than you would if you

[laurie_white]: 16:19

you

[shaun]: 16:19

like

[laurie_white]: 16:19

would

[shaun]: 16:20

you say i'm in the inner city and people are over relying on government per progressive and liberal like describe that to us like what was it like in that area

[laurie_white]: 16:27

that area

[scott]: 16:28

right

[laurie_white]: 16:29

so with the r c m p the

[scott]: 16:32

oh

[shaun]: 16:32

yeah

[laurie_white]: 16:32

inter city policing doesn't

[scott]: 16:33

oh

[laurie_white]: 16:33

happen that often and the reason i say that is because

[scott]: 16:36

oh

[laurie_white]: 16:36

most of the main big cities in canada

[shaun]: 16:38

m

[laurie_white]: 16:38

have their

[scott]: 16:39

m

[laurie_white]: 16:39

own municipal police forces

[shaun]: 16:40

hm

[laurie_white]: 16:41

so we don't have kind of

[scott]: 16:42

yeah

[laurie_white]: 16:42

that same

[shaun]: 16:44

m

[laurie_white]: 16:44

element often i mean it exists but not to the same degree that you would be used to so

[scott]: 16:50

oh

[shaun]: 16:50

hm

[laurie_white]: 16:51

there are definitely areas

[shaun]: 16:53

oh

[laurie_white]: 16:53

and a certain geographical

[shaun]: 16:55

oh

[laurie_white]: 16:55

locations that

[scott]: 16:56

yeah

[laurie_white]: 16:56

they are not as receptive to the since i do

[scott]: 16:58

ah

[laurie_white]: 16:58

remember when i first even went to kid him at i remember knocking on an apartment

[shaun]: 17:01

yeah

[laurie_white]: 17:02

door one day and i was very new i mean i've only been there a couple of months and

[shaun]: 17:06

m

[laurie_white]: 17:06

a little girl i came to find

[scott]: 17:08

oh

[laurie_white]: 17:08

out who's three years old

[shaun]: 17:10

m

[laurie_white]: 17:10

the door and there was

[scott]: 17:10

no

[laurie_white]: 17:11

one of those chain locks from the inside

[shaun]: 17:13

hm

[scott]: 17:13

hm

[laurie_white]: 17:14

and

[shaun]: 17:14

i

[laurie_white]: 17:14

i saw her peer

[shaun]: 17:15

m

[laurie_white]: 17:15

out and see me in uniform and she said hi piggy

[shaun]: 17:18

oh wow

[laurie_white]: 17:20

three years old

[scott]: 17:21

she

[shaun]: 17:21

so so far you've told

[laurie_white]: 17:22

for you

[shaun]: 17:22

us

[laurie_white]: 17:23

told

[shaun]: 17:23

you've totally

[laurie_white]: 17:23

us

[shaun]: 17:23

dispelled the idea that all

[laurie_white]: 17:24

the idea

[shaun]: 17:24

canadians

[laurie_white]: 17:24

that all

[scott]: 17:24

oh

[shaun]: 17:24

are pretty cordial and nice even

[laurie_white]: 17:26

yeah

[shaun]: 17:26

if they stay

[scott]: 17:27

right

[shaun]: 17:28

i guess it's i shouldn't

[scott]: 17:29

yeah

[shaun]: 17:29

ouldn't group i shouldn't group people um so

[laurie_white]: 17:33

most of

[shaun]: 17:33

let's

[laurie_white]: 17:33

us are

[scott]: 17:34

a

[shaun]: 17:34

yeah right actually you are really i mean it's really really super

[laurie_white]: 17:37

ah

[shaun]: 17:37

super cool that a nation that big can be that nice you

[scott]: 17:41

ah

[shaun]: 17:41

know what i mean that diver still when you think about it i mean like

[scott]: 17:43

oh

[shaun]: 17:44

some of the similar problems

[laurie_white]: 17:45

similar

[shaun]: 17:45

in the

[laurie_white]: 17:45

poems

[shaun]: 17:45

united states you have

[scott]: 17:46

yeah

[shaun]: 17:47

except you're legal immigrants

[laurie_white]: 17:48

le

[shaun]: 17:48

are americans that are upset with their government you know what i mean like i'm leaving

[laurie_white]: 17:52

i'm living

[shaun]: 17:52

and going to canada

[scott]: 17:53

yeah

[shaun]: 17:54

indians are like why are you gonna come here i mean

[scott]: 17:56

yeah

[shaun]: 17:56

that's what i d be like like

[scott]: 17:57

yeah

[shaun]: 17:57

we

[laurie_white]: 17:57

yeah

[shaun]: 17:57

your own stuff out at home you know and i mean like what re you coming to my house and bringing her but again

[scott]: 18:01

oh

[shaun]: 18:02

you're so cordial i was watching this shows was like a come on up it's all good we love you

[laurie_white]: 18:05

yeah that's

[shaun]: 18:06

like

[laurie_white]: 18:06

true

[shaun]: 18:06

you know we

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welcome

[shaun]: 18:06

don't

[laurie_white]: 18:07

anybody

[shaun]: 18:07

yeah right it's kind of neat but

[laurie_white]: 18:09

what

[shaun]: 18:10

the idea

[laurie_white]: 18:10

the idea

[shaun]: 18:10

of like

[scott]: 18:11

oh

[shaun]: 18:12

kit and

[scott]: 18:13

h

[shaun]: 18:13

where you

[laurie_white]: 18:13

where

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got into

[laurie_white]: 18:13

you

[shaun]: 18:14

the

[laurie_white]: 18:14

got

[shaun]: 18:14

situation that we you know we kind of opened with with

[laurie_white]: 18:16

oh

[shaun]: 18:16

your bio we talked about that can you talk a little bit

[laurie_white]: 18:18

talk

[shaun]: 18:18

about

[laurie_white]: 18:19

a little

[shaun]: 18:19

that

[laurie_white]: 18:19

bit

[shaun]: 18:19

like how that

[laurie_white]: 18:20

how

[shaun]: 18:20

day

[laurie_white]: 18:20

that

[shaun]: 18:20

went down

[laurie_white]: 18:20

went

[shaun]: 18:21

for you

[laurie_white]: 18:22

sure so i'll kind of set the tone a little bit just

[scott]: 18:25

m

[shaun]: 18:25

oh

[laurie_white]: 18:25

because i think it helps lend a little context to how

[shaun]: 18:29

m

[laurie_white]: 18:29

i ended up in that situation and when i first

[scott]: 18:31

m

[laurie_white]: 18:31

went to kidhemat

[shaun]: 18:32

m

[laurie_white]: 18:32

they decided

[scott]: 18:33

yeah

[laurie_white]: 18:33

to try schedule

[shaun]: 18:34

m

[laurie_white]: 18:35

and it was going

[scott]: 18:35

oh

[laurie_white]: 18:35

to be

[shaun]: 18:36

m

[laurie_white]: 18:36

ten months of well they

[scott]: 18:38

m

[laurie_white]: 18:38

said

[shaun]: 18:38

m

[laurie_white]: 18:38

they wanted certain number

[shaun]: 18:40

oh

[scott]: 18:40

m

[laurie_white]: 18:40

our members to be straight nights and certain number to be straight days and i got straight

[shaun]: 18:44

m

[laurie_white]: 18:44

nights for ten

[shaun]: 18:45

oh

[laurie_white]: 18:45

months

[shaun]: 18:46

yes

[laurie_white]: 18:46

so

[scott]: 18:47

ah

[laurie_white]: 18:47

it was not really great for the quality of life and i was young and i was

[shaun]: 18:50

h

[laurie_white]: 18:50

single and just kind of wanting to do

[shaun]: 18:52

yah

[laurie_white]: 18:52

some other stuff like be on now instructing

[shaun]: 18:55

oh

[laurie_white]: 18:55

fitness and get involved in some of the community sports

[shaun]: 18:58

yeah

[laurie_white]: 18:58

teams and active s and stuff and that certainly didn't lend itself to that kind of life style and so

[scott]: 19:02

right

[laurie_white]: 19:02

i kind of made a deal with myself and said okay this kind of sucks in a lot of ways

[shaun]: 19:06

yeah

[laurie_white]: 19:06

i'm enjoying the work but i'm really not having any balance here at all

[shaun]: 19:10

hm

[laurie_white]: 19:11

giant myth and so i said okay i'll give myself to a year and if i could make through a year then at least be

[shaun]: 19:18

yeah

[laurie_white]: 19:18

able to walk away and say to myself i gave it a fair shot you know i did everything i possibly could and i gave it a full year so that's

[shaun]: 19:24

m

[laurie_white]: 19:24

a fair amount of time to decide

[shaun]: 19:27

m

[laurie_white]: 19:27

i a year came around schedule d changed

[shaun]: 19:29

oh

[laurie_white]: 19:29

i had new friends like it was it was a much

[shaun]: 19:31

yeah

[laurie_white]: 19:31

better

[scott]: 19:32

yeah

[laurie_white]: 19:32

whole life

[scott]: 19:33

yeah

[laurie_white]: 19:33

situation and i

[scott]: 19:34

right

[laurie_white]: 19:35

had no family or anybody out

[shaun]: 19:36

yeah

[laurie_white]: 19:36

there

[scott]: 19:36

oh

[laurie_white]: 19:37

either right so it was it was it was a

[scott]: 19:38

oh

[laurie_white]: 19:38

giant adjustment so

[scott]: 19:41

m

[laurie_white]: 19:41

i stayed and on november

[scott]: 19:43

m

[laurie_white]: 19:44

twenty seventh

[shaun]: 19:44

ah

[scott]: 19:44

m

[laurie_white]: 19:44

of nineteen ninety

[scott]: 19:45

yeah

[laurie_white]: 19:45

eight i was doing a

[scott]: 19:47

m m

[laurie_white]: 19:49

search went

[scott]: 19:50

m

[laurie_white]: 19:50

and it was on a suspected sex offender i had had

[shaun]: 19:53

m

[laurie_white]: 19:54

a file on him previously

[scott]: 19:55

m

[laurie_white]: 19:56

to do with sexual interference and so

[scott]: 19:57

m

[laurie_white]: 19:58

he had already been to

[shaun]: 19:58

yeah

[laurie_white]: 19:58

court on that back

[scott]: 20:00

oh

[laurie_white]: 20:00

in september so a couple months prior to this incident and so i think that previous

[scott]: 20:05

m yeah

[laurie_white]: 20:06

file really

[shaun]: 20:07

oh

[laurie_white]: 20:08

because it's a small town and word travels fast and so that victim had come forward and

[shaun]: 20:12

ah

[laurie_white]: 20:12

so her disclosure had sort of generated a bit of a snowball

[shaun]: 20:15

oh

[laurie_white]: 20:15

impact you know how it does some

[shaun]: 20:17

hm

[laurie_white]: 20:17

of her friends and other

[scott]: 20:18

h

[laurie_white]: 20:18

people that she knew came forward

[shaun]: 20:20

yeah

[laurie_white]: 20:20

and so i ended up

[scott]: 20:20

m

[laurie_white]: 20:21

with multiple victims and

[shaun]: 20:23

oh

[laurie_white]: 20:23

so by the time november came around

[shaun]: 20:25

oh

[laurie_white]: 20:25

i had some more evidence and some more information in

[shaun]: 20:28

yeah

[laurie_white]: 20:28

order to be able to go and do this search warrant so we were there

[shaun]: 20:31

m

[laurie_white]: 20:31

on a nice brisk you know

[shaun]: 20:33

ye

[laurie_white]: 20:33

november afternoon and he lived in a town house complex

[shaun]: 20:37

m

[laurie_white]: 20:37

where there were probably

[scott]: 20:37

m

[laurie_white]: 20:38

ten

[shaun]: 20:38

yeah

[laurie_white]: 20:39

units in a row and he wasn't on the end maybe

[shaun]: 20:40

yeah

[laurie_white]: 20:41

seventh down and a car port

[shaun]: 20:43

m

[laurie_white]: 20:43

and i was standing to the right and my corporal

[shaun]: 20:45

m

[laurie_white]: 20:46

who was my supervisor right supervisor was to the left of the door and then we had our third partner

[scott]: 20:50

oh

[laurie_white]: 20:51

around the back and this person had

[scott]: 20:52

yeah

[laurie_white]: 20:52

no history

[shaun]: 20:53

m

[laurie_white]: 20:53

of violence nothing like

[scott]: 20:54

oh

[laurie_white]: 20:54

that

[shaun]: 20:55

right

[laurie_white]: 20:56

just

[scott]: 20:56

oh

[laurie_white]: 20:56

standing there and

[shaun]: 20:58

m

[scott]: 20:58

yeah

[laurie_white]: 20:59

a sudden i heard a giant pop it was like a balloon

[shaun]: 21:01

m

[laurie_white]: 21:02

popped right beside my ear

[scott]: 21:03

m

[shaun]: 21:03

yeah

[laurie_white]: 21:03

and so that reverberation feeling that

[scott]: 21:06

m

[laurie_white]: 21:06

vibrating that buzzing

[scott]: 21:08

m

[laurie_white]: 21:09

in my

[shaun]: 21:09

h

[laurie_white]: 21:09

noise

[scott]: 21:09

oh

[laurie_white]: 21:10

was just instant

[shaun]: 21:10

m

[laurie_white]: 21:10

and i had a hard time deciphering

[scott]: 21:11

yeah

[shaun]: 21:12

yeah

[laurie_white]: 21:12

what was real

[scott]: 21:13

oh

[laurie_white]: 21:13

and is standing there

[shaun]: 21:14

ye

[laurie_white]: 21:14

and i

[scott]: 21:15

m

[laurie_white]: 21:16

have this pop and i see

[shaun]: 21:17

oh

[laurie_white]: 21:17

this black hole in the white

[shaun]: 21:20

my

[laurie_white]: 21:20

door

[scott]: 21:21

m

[laurie_white]: 21:21

and then i

[shaun]: 21:22

ah

[laurie_white]: 21:23

taste the residue from gunpowder

[shaun]: 21:27

sulphur

[laurie_white]: 21:27

and

[shaun]: 21:27

yeah

[scott]: 21:28

yeah

[shaun]: 21:28

yeah yeah yeah

[laurie_white]: 21:28

yeah and i smell

[scott]: 21:29

yeah

[laurie_white]: 21:29

that the gunpowder and it's

[shaun]: 21:30

ah

[laurie_white]: 21:31

just kind of in my face

[shaun]: 21:33

oh

[laurie_white]: 21:33

and i look down and i see this smoke coming from my right shin and it's this grayish

[shaun]: 21:37

m

[laurie_white]: 21:37

blackish whitish smoke and then i realize now it's weird how my senses all kicked in

[shaun]: 21:43

m

[laurie_white]: 21:43

before my brain actually realized i've been shot

[scott]: 21:46

oh

[laurie_white]: 21:46

so i said

[shaun]: 21:47

uh

[laurie_white]: 21:47

to my partner i've been shot

[shaun]: 21:48

h

[laurie_white]: 21:48

and he said what and

[shaun]: 21:49

yeah

[laurie_white]: 21:49

i said

[scott]: 21:49

m

[laurie_white]: 21:49

i've been shot and he said well lie down

[shaun]: 21:52

yeah

[scott]: 21:52

my

[laurie_white]: 21:52

so i did i lay down on my on my

[scott]: 21:54

m

[laurie_white]: 21:54

left side and

[scott]: 21:55

yah

[laurie_white]: 21:55

i heard well he quickly looked and

[shaun]: 21:57

m

[laurie_white]: 21:57

told me

[scott]: 21:58

m

[laurie_white]: 21:58

that i had one bullet hole in my leg and he grabbed

[shaun]: 22:00

m

[laurie_white]: 22:00

me by the back of my gun belt and by the

[shaun]: 22:03

m

[laurie_white]: 22:03

back of my collar and he dragged me around a vehicle that was there to kind of protect me

[shaun]: 22:08

m

[laurie_white]: 22:08

from the line of fire or and i

[shaun]: 22:10

oh

[laurie_white]: 22:10

heard him say over the radio

[scott]: 22:11

oh

[laurie_white]: 22:12

to ten thirty three here

[scott]: 22:13

m

[laurie_white]: 22:13

in canada

[shaun]: 22:14

m

[laurie_white]: 22:14

is the worst code you can hear

[scott]: 22:16

m

[laurie_white]: 22:16

from a despatch

[shaun]: 22:17

yeah

[laurie_white]: 22:17

is ten thirty three means

[scott]: 22:18

m

[laurie_white]: 22:19

officer down

[scott]: 22:19

oh

[laurie_white]: 22:19

it means it's an emergency it's urgent everyone

[scott]: 22:21

yeah

[laurie_white]: 22:21

drop what they do and you got to go and that's what i

[scott]: 22:24

right

[laurie_white]: 22:24

heard which is what led me to the title of my book and so

[shaun]: 22:28

right

[laurie_white]: 22:28

um they made arrangements

[scott]: 22:30

m

[laurie_white]: 22:30

for me to go to the kidamet hospital

[scott]: 22:31

oh

[shaun]: 22:32

oh

[laurie_white]: 22:32

of course community of ten thousand not a big hospital so they

[scott]: 22:35

oh

[laurie_white]: 22:35

made arrangements for me to be metafacked to vancouver

[shaun]: 22:38

okay

[laurie_white]: 22:39

and yeah

[scott]: 22:39

oh

[laurie_white]: 22:40

so i was conscious for about four hours and i

[scott]: 22:42

oh

[laurie_white]: 22:42

remember in that time frame really willing my

[scott]: 22:45

m

[laurie_white]: 22:45

eyes to stay open because i was losing blood at an alarming rate

[shaun]: 22:49

yeah

[laurie_white]: 22:49

the pain was excruciating

[scott]: 22:50

oh

[laurie_white]: 22:50

there was lot of

[shaun]: 22:51

m

[laurie_white]: 22:51

chaos

[shaun]: 22:51

oh

[laurie_white]: 22:51

around me they were cutting my clothes off there was just a lot happening

[shaun]: 22:55

m

[scott]: 22:55

oh

[laurie_white]: 22:55

and i

[shaun]: 22:56

oh

[laurie_white]: 22:57

remember just thinking to myself

[scott]: 22:58

yeah

[laurie_white]: 22:58

okay there's one thing i can control

[shaun]: 22:59

my

[laurie_white]: 22:59

and it's my eyes and if i can keep my eyes open then i can prove to myself that i'm still alive

[scott]: 23:04

yeah m

[laurie_white]: 23:06

and so i remember at one point being in the kidamat

[scott]: 23:08

right

[laurie_white]: 23:08

hospital before they decided to before

[shaun]: 23:11

oh

[laurie_white]: 23:11

arrangements were made for me to

[scott]: 23:12

i

[laurie_white]: 23:12

matava and somebody came in and said

[shaun]: 23:14

h

[scott]: 23:14

m

[laurie_white]: 23:14

laure laure you ave any dying declarations

[shaun]: 23:15

h

[laurie_white]: 23:16

and i thought holy

[scott]: 23:16

a

[laurie_white]: 23:17

ship what what hell is a dying declaration i don't

[scott]: 23:19

oh

[laurie_white]: 23:19

even know

[scott]: 23:20

jes

[laurie_white]: 23:20

and i remember

[shaun]: 23:21

oh

[laurie_white]: 23:21

patting

[scott]: 23:21

right

[laurie_white]: 23:21

my torso and thinking like it was i shot somewhere else like did i get shot again that i just i'm not aware of it no one has been kind of truthful with me so that was very troubling so i was yeah conscious for about four hours and i woke

[scott]: 23:37

oh

[laurie_white]: 23:38

up in vancouver hospital

[shaun]: 23:41

oh

[laurie_white]: 23:42

several hours later after

[scott]: 23:43

yeah

[laurie_white]: 23:43

i think the surgery was about eight hours and i awoke to the news that my lower right leg had been amputated

[scott]: 23:48

m

[shaun]: 23:49

okay so

[scott]: 23:50

oh

[shaun]: 23:50

obviously

[scott]: 23:50

my god

[shaun]: 23:51

you're there

[laurie_white]: 23:51

there

[shaun]: 23:52

the doctors are making that you know it's that

[laurie_white]: 23:53

now

[scott]: 23:54

oh

[shaun]: 23:54

that famous canadian

[laurie_white]: 23:54

famous

[shaun]: 23:55

health

[laurie_white]: 23:55

canadian

[shaun]: 23:55

care that

[laurie_white]: 23:55

he

[shaun]: 23:55

we always talk about like we compared our when we started going to

[scott]: 23:58

my

[shaun]: 23:58

know health care like universal health care for people at

[scott]: 24:00

yeah

[shaun]: 24:00

canada it jus got the system the decision was made

[laurie_white]: 24:03

it was

[shaun]: 24:03

when

[laurie_white]: 24:03

made

[shaun]: 24:03

they were treating you that the leg was not savable do you remember anting about the caliber the size of the bullet things like that was a shot gun was it anything like that that would determine that

[scott]: 24:12

oh

[laurie_white]: 24:12

so it's a shot off three o three that that he used and so it to my understanding i'm not that much of a

[shaun]: 24:19

yeah

[laurie_white]: 24:19

gun save

[scott]: 24:20

yeah

[laurie_white]: 24:20

person but to my understanding

[shaun]: 24:22

m

[laurie_white]: 24:22

that kind of bullet hit something hard so it hit my two lower leg

[scott]: 24:25

yeah

[shaun]: 24:25

yeah

[laurie_white]: 24:25

bones

[shaun]: 24:26

hm

[laurie_white]: 24:26

and it

[shaun]: 24:28

oh

[laurie_white]: 24:28

it mushroomed and

[scott]: 24:29

m

[laurie_white]: 24:29

it pretty much took my whole calf with it and so

[shaun]: 24:31

oh

[scott]: 24:31

m

[laurie_white]: 24:31

what they were left with was a very damaged

[scott]: 24:33

oh

[shaun]: 24:33

yeah

[laurie_white]: 24:33

limb of course so they tried for

[shaun]: 24:35

oh

[laurie_white]: 24:36

all

[scott]: 24:36

yeah

[laurie_white]: 24:36

those hours to restore circulation to my foot by

[scott]: 24:39

oh

[laurie_white]: 24:39

taking chunks of my inner left vain so i have a giant scar from my knee

[scott]: 24:48

yeah

[laurie_white]: 24:48

to my groin on my left side because they had they kept taking little pieces of vain to try to restore the circulation to my right foot and then

[shaun]: 24:55

uh

[laurie_white]: 24:55

they

[scott]: 24:55

hm

[shaun]: 24:55

uh

[laurie_white]: 24:55

were unable to do after all their efforts and so it was

[scott]: 25:00

yeah

[shaun]: 25:00

oh

[laurie_white]: 25:00

a very messy injury just

[shaun]: 25:03

yeah

[laurie_white]: 25:04

because of what was left of my my limb and

[shaun]: 25:06

right

[laurie_white]: 25:06

you know my tissue my bones all that kind of stuff so it was

[shaun]: 25:09

right

[laurie_white]: 25:09

very messy and so the bullet had excited through my

[scott]: 25:11

yeah

[laurie_white]: 25:11

calf

[scott]: 25:12

oh

[shaun]: 25:13

so in the after action

[scott]: 25:14

yeah

[shaun]: 25:14

review i think if i was in charge what i said we

[scott]: 25:17

ah

[shaun]: 25:17

don't ask people

[laurie_white]: 25:17

don't ask

[shaun]: 25:17

about dying declarations we just don't do that like i mean

[laurie_white]: 25:20

still

[shaun]: 25:20

i'm

[laurie_white]: 25:21

i'm

[shaun]: 25:21

not

[laurie_white]: 25:21

not

[shaun]: 25:21

sure

[laurie_white]: 25:21

entirely

[shaun]: 25:21

if that was the

[laurie_white]: 25:21

clear

[shaun]: 25:21

case

[laurie_white]: 25:21

what

[shaun]: 25:21

but i'd

[laurie_white]: 25:22

one

[shaun]: 25:22

be

[laurie_white]: 25:22

is

[shaun]: 25:22

like from a mind set standpoint that is like really

[scott]: 25:24

oh

[shaun]: 25:25

you know that's a

[scott]: 25:27

yeah

[shaun]: 25:27

survival like

[laurie_white]: 25:28

vive

[shaun]: 25:28

you said is such an emotional thing a mental like like mental

[laurie_white]: 25:32

mental

[shaun]: 25:32

end

[laurie_white]: 25:33

end

[shaun]: 25:33

emotional

[scott]: 25:33

yeah

[laurie_white]: 25:33

motor

[shaun]: 25:34

but like yours was like i'm trying to

[scott]: 25:36

yeah

[shaun]: 25:36

say i'm in control all of this because i'm

[scott]: 25:37

right

[shaun]: 25:37

trying to keep my eyes open forever

[scott]: 25:38

oh

[shaun]: 25:38

and then someone comes up and pops you with ha you got to be like oh that's kind

[scott]: 25:40

oh

[shaun]: 25:40

of a curve ball i didn't expect that um you

[scott]: 25:43

m

[shaun]: 25:43

know it just proves even more how you know strong you were to get through that particularly

[laurie_white]: 25:48

that

[shaun]: 25:48

how far and remote that you were at the same time it not like the story you tell is like something

[scott]: 25:52

oh

[shaun]: 25:52

you'd be talking to somebody that was in like kandahar province in afghanistan so far away and i'm not trying

[laurie_white]: 25:57

i'm

[shaun]: 25:57

to say the

[scott]: 25:57

ah

[laurie_white]: 25:57

in

[shaun]: 25:57

two

[laurie_white]: 25:58

to

[shaun]: 25:58

are the same

[laurie_white]: 25:58

do it

[shaun]: 25:58

but i'm just saying

[laurie_white]: 25:59

but i'm

[shaun]: 25:59

it's

[laurie_white]: 25:59

just

[shaun]: 25:59

like you had to be metavacked out for us like we grew

[scott]: 26:01

m

[shaun]: 26:01

up near a major met

[scott]: 26:02

oh

[shaun]: 26:03

metropolitan area

[laurie_white]: 26:04

yeah

[shaun]: 26:04

currently work in one

[laurie_white]: 26:05

one

[shaun]: 26:06

where if you had

[laurie_white]: 26:06

were

[shaun]: 26:06

to go

[laurie_white]: 26:06

you

[shaun]: 26:06

that

[laurie_white]: 26:06

had

[shaun]: 26:06

far it ud be like wow i mean that's that's

[scott]: 26:08

oh

[shaun]: 26:08

not cool i mean you definitely that's really rural so to speak a lot of us so you know thank god they had that at the ready i mean was that like part of your plan going

[laurie_white]: 26:18

and

[shaun]: 26:18

in like

[laurie_white]: 26:19

on

[shaun]: 26:19

if somebody gets

[scott]: 26:19

oh

[shaun]: 26:19

shot we're going to metavacum or was that all what the chaos was about

[laurie_white]: 26:23

that was what the chaos was about i mean

[scott]: 26:25

oh

[laurie_white]: 26:25

they're just certainly not equipped for any sort of trauma situation

[scott]: 26:27

my

[laurie_white]: 26:28

like to the degree that mine was

[shaun]: 26:29

ah

[laurie_white]: 26:29

but

[scott]: 26:30

m

[laurie_white]: 26:31

obviously needed to go to a trauma

[scott]: 26:32

m

[laurie_white]: 26:33

center and so i know that my parents the time being very far away

[shaun]: 26:38

yeah

[laurie_white]: 26:38

they were in communication

[scott]: 26:39

m

[laurie_white]: 26:39

with

[scott]: 26:39

oh

[laurie_white]: 26:39

the surgeons

[scott]: 26:40

yeah

[laurie_white]: 26:40

and i remember they would tell

[scott]: 26:42

yeah

[laurie_white]: 26:42

you that at the beginning they were kind of

[shaun]: 26:43

yeah

[laurie_white]: 26:43

led to believe it was

[scott]: 26:44

yeah

[laurie_white]: 26:44

a bit of a flesh

[shaun]: 26:45

yeah

[laurie_white]: 26:45

wound

[scott]: 26:45

m

[laurie_white]: 26:45

and then it got more grave

[shaun]: 26:47

yah

[laurie_white]: 26:48

and more serious

[scott]: 26:48

yeah

[laurie_white]: 26:49

through

[shaun]: 26:49

oh

[laurie_white]: 26:49

out

[scott]: 26:49

it

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the course

[scott]: 26:50

m

[laurie_white]: 26:50

of it so

[shaun]: 26:50

m

[laurie_white]: 26:51

i'm not sure why the messaging

[scott]: 26:52

m

[laurie_white]: 26:52

was so

[scott]: 26:53

m

[laurie_white]: 26:54

muted

[scott]: 26:54

m

[laurie_white]: 26:54

at the start if you know what

[scott]: 26:55

oh

[laurie_white]: 26:55

i mean but

[shaun]: 26:56

right

[laurie_white]: 26:57

it got

[scott]: 26:57

yeah

[laurie_white]: 26:58

very serious very

[scott]: 26:59

yeah

[laurie_white]: 26:59

glaze

[shaun]: 26:59

i mean you know to kind of follow up on that communication things like we always talk about that on our end like communication is always so

[scott]: 27:06

m

[shaun]: 27:06

bad and what was so wrong in the let out habit like if you're good

[scott]: 27:09

m

[shaun]: 27:09

at communicating about officers getting

[scott]: 27:10

oh

[shaun]: 27:11

shot it means they're happening a lot you know

[scott]: 27:13

oh

[shaun]: 27:13

in canada

[laurie_white]: 27:14

i

[shaun]: 27:15

yeah again i'm

[laurie_white]: 27:15

yeah

[shaun]: 27:15

assuming

[laurie_white]: 27:15

again i'm

[shaun]: 27:16

it's

[laurie_white]: 27:16

assuming

[shaun]: 27:16

not a

[laurie_white]: 27:16

it's not

[scott]: 27:16

oh

[shaun]: 27:17

gun violent as the

[laurie_white]: 27:17

in

[shaun]: 27:18

united states is

[laurie_white]: 27:18

states

[shaun]: 27:19

so

[scott]: 27:19

oh

[shaun]: 27:19

you know

[laurie_white]: 27:20

no

[shaun]: 27:20

in that respect

[laurie_white]: 27:21

that

[shaun]: 27:21

maybe that was some

[scott]: 27:22

oh

[shaun]: 27:22

of the case as

[laurie_white]: 27:22

the

[shaun]: 27:22

to

[laurie_white]: 27:22

case

[shaun]: 27:23

why it

[laurie_white]: 27:23

is

[shaun]: 27:23

was

[laurie_white]: 27:23

cool

[shaun]: 27:23

just so

[laurie_white]: 27:23

it was

[shaun]: 27:23

confusing like what do we tell

[scott]: 27:24

oh

[shaun]: 27:24

people i've never been here

[laurie_white]: 27:25

never

[shaun]: 27:25

before like you know as you go through the

[laurie_white]: 27:27

you

[shaun]: 27:27

job

[scott]: 27:27

oh

[shaun]: 27:27

you're the expert you're the boss you're the guy in charge whatever they

[scott]: 27:29

oh

[shaun]: 27:29

call the guy or girl in charge of the the province that you're at the office is like well

[scott]: 27:33

m

[shaun]: 27:33

we don't do this all the time so i

[scott]: 27:34

m

[shaun]: 27:34

on't know what

[laurie_white]: 27:35

don't

[shaun]: 27:35

to

[laurie_white]: 27:35

know

[shaun]: 27:35

say

[laurie_white]: 27:35

what

[shaun]: 27:35

i don't want to say

[scott]: 27:36

m

[shaun]: 27:36

anything too much

[scott]: 27:36

ah

[laurie_white]: 27:37

to much

[shaun]: 27:37

to destroy their parents

[scott]: 27:38

oh

[shaun]: 27:38

will in the same sense i don't want to say any

[laurie_white]: 27:40

i

[scott]: 27:40

oh

[shaun]: 27:40

of the media gets a hold of so do you think maybe that

[laurie_white]: 27:43

think

[shaun]: 27:43

was of it like

[scott]: 27:44

m

[shaun]: 27:44

how common

[scott]: 27:44

m

[shaun]: 27:45

is it that

[laurie_white]: 27:45

on

[shaun]: 27:45

cops get shot in canada

[laurie_white]: 27:47

not

[scott]: 27:47

ah

[laurie_white]: 27:47

that common not that common at all

[scott]: 27:49

oh

[laurie_white]: 27:49

and i'm sure there were so many factors that played

[scott]: 27:52

m

[laurie_white]: 27:52

into it and

[shaun]: 27:52

m

[laurie_white]: 27:52

just so many different

[shaun]: 27:53

yeah

[laurie_white]: 27:54

agencies

[scott]: 27:54

m

[laurie_white]: 27:54

and places and

[scott]: 27:55

m

[laurie_white]: 27:55

i mean kidomet small

[scott]: 27:56

oh

[laurie_white]: 27:56

so then the organization in itself

[scott]: 27:59

m

[laurie_white]: 27:59

has

[shaun]: 27:59

m

[laurie_white]: 27:59

obviously

[scott]: 27:59

m

[laurie_white]: 28:00

much bigger headquarters areas and

[scott]: 28:01

m

[laurie_white]: 28:01

so some of those people would have had to parishoot

[shaun]: 28:03

yeah

[laurie_white]: 28:04

in and be responsible for certain roles i think establishing that

[scott]: 28:07

m

[laurie_white]: 28:07

like in any crisis

[scott]: 28:08

m

[laurie_white]: 28:08

situation we we have a crisis situation and then we

[shaun]: 28:11

ah

[laurie_white]: 28:11

have

[scott]: 28:11

ah

[laurie_white]: 28:12

a lot of lessons

[scott]: 28:12

yeah

[laurie_white]: 28:12

learned after the fact right and i'm sure

[scott]: 28:14

m

[shaun]: 28:14

right

[laurie_white]: 28:14

hopefully if it would happen

[scott]: 28:16

oh

[laurie_white]: 28:16

god forbid again

[shaun]: 28:17

yeah

[laurie_white]: 28:17

now i think robably

[scott]: 28:18

m

[laurie_white]: 28:18

it would be a little more streamlined

[scott]: 28:19

m

[laurie_white]: 28:19

in many respects

[shaun]: 28:21

yeah

[laurie_white]: 28:21

maybe

[scott]: 28:21

m

[laurie_white]: 28:21

back then it wasn't an plus remember

[scott]: 28:23

m

[laurie_white]: 28:23

it was nineteen ninety eight

[scott]: 28:24

yeah

[laurie_white]: 28:24

so

[shaun]: 28:24

right

[laurie_white]: 28:25

we didn't have a lot of the same communication

[scott]: 28:26

m

[shaun]: 28:27

oh

[laurie_white]: 28:28

technology that we do now

[shaun]: 28:30

how many people were on the hit

[scott]: 28:31

m

[shaun]: 28:31

with you the search

[scott]: 28:31

m

[shaun]: 28:31

weren't with you is it just the three of you that were involved

[laurie_white]: 28:33

just the three

[shaun]: 28:33

at the

[laurie_white]: 28:34

of

[shaun]: 28:34

door

[laurie_white]: 28:34

us yeah

[shaun]: 28:35

so you guys are

[laurie_white]: 28:36

you guys

[shaun]: 28:36

again

[scott]: 28:36

oh

[shaun]: 28:36

just and i'm not not going it's just like he you know we

[scott]: 28:38

m

[shaun]: 28:39

for the longest time didn't think sex offenders were violent

[scott]: 28:41

oh

[shaun]: 28:41

people either and they turned out to be quite a group of people in th at least in the united states that

[laurie_white]: 28:44

i

[shaun]: 28:44

like to collect

[scott]: 28:45

m

[shaun]: 28:45

guns and things like that and

[scott]: 28:47

oh

[shaun]: 28:47

many those search warrants in the united states have kind of gone the same way it's just a simple we'e looking for imagery we're looking for evidence of the fact that this is what he did with multiple victims coming forward and then all of a sudden it's it's a it's a massive gun fight you know and and how did

[laurie_white]: 29:00

did

[shaun]: 29:01

like after you

[laurie_white]: 29:01

after

[shaun]: 29:02

were x

[laurie_white]: 29:02

you

[shaun]: 29:02

filled or taken from the scene how did that all play out with the suspect

[laurie_white]: 29:07

so

[scott]: 29:07

yeah

[laurie_white]: 29:08

the emergency response team in that northern area all those people

[shaun]: 29:13

m

[laurie_white]: 29:14

come from all these different detachments

[scott]: 29:15

m

[laurie_white]: 29:15

up

[shaun]: 29:15

m

[laurie_white]: 29:15

there and so it takes a long time

[scott]: 29:17

yeah

[laurie_white]: 29:17

to mobilize

[shaun]: 29:17

yeah

[laurie_white]: 29:18

such a asked like a

[shaun]: 29:21

oh

[scott]: 29:21

yeah

[laurie_white]: 29:21

group of people from such a vast

[scott]: 29:22

yeah

[laurie_white]: 29:23

area

[scott]: 29:23

yeah

[laurie_white]: 29:23

and

[shaun]: 29:23

hm

[laurie_white]: 29:24

so my understanding is well i know

[scott]: 29:25

a

[laurie_white]: 29:26

that

[shaun]: 29:26

oh

[laurie_white]: 29:26

they were all called into action of course and there was

[shaun]: 29:29

oh

[laurie_white]: 29:29

a negotiation

[scott]: 29:30

yeah

[laurie_white]: 29:30

that happened as well because did have him on the phone

[shaun]: 29:32

oh

[laurie_white]: 29:32

for a bit

[scott]: 29:33

oh

[laurie_white]: 29:33

and he had him

[shaun]: 29:35

yeah

[laurie_white]: 29:35

and

[scott]: 29:36

m

[shaun]: 29:37

yeah

[laurie_white]: 29:37

there was some communication there and i'm

[scott]: 29:39

oh

[laurie_white]: 29:39

not entirely sure what that consisted of of course but

[scott]: 29:41

yeah

[laurie_white]: 29:41

i

[shaun]: 29:41

yeah

[laurie_white]: 29:41

know there was some communication and

[shaun]: 29:44

m

[scott]: 29:44

oh

[laurie_white]: 29:44

by the time that the emergency response people

[scott]: 29:46

m

[shaun]: 29:46

ye

[laurie_white]: 29:47

went in uh he had died of a self inflicted gunshot wound so

[shaun]: 29:51

yeah

[laurie_white]: 29:51

i think the stand off was probably

[scott]: 29:52

m

[laurie_white]: 29:52

about ten hours is what my understanding

[shaun]: 29:53

ye

[laurie_white]: 29:54

is

[scott]: 29:54

oh

[shaun]: 29:54

okay so he had known

[laurie_white]: 29:56

he had known

[shaun]: 29:56

what he did he knew i mean as he shot through the door

[laurie_white]: 29:59

the door

[shaun]: 29:59

did he know that

[scott]: 30:00

yeah

[shaun]: 30:00

he

[laurie_white]: 30:00

now

[shaun]: 30:00

had shot

[laurie_white]: 30:00

that

[shaun]: 30:00

you or is that just you know

[laurie_white]: 30:03

he definitely

[shaun]: 30:03

i guess really

[laurie_white]: 30:03

knew he shot me now people asked me he knew i was the one out there and he did hate

[shaun]: 30:07

ah

[laurie_white]: 30:07

me but at the same time do i think

[shaun]: 30:10

oh

[laurie_white]: 30:10

that he aimed now i think just based on the

[shaun]: 30:12

yah

[laurie_white]: 30:13

way

[scott]: 30:13

oh

[laurie_white]: 30:13

that that whole configuration was

[scott]: 30:15

yeah

[laurie_white]: 30:16

i don't

[scott]: 30:16

yeah

[shaun]: 30:16

m

[laurie_white]: 30:16

think he aimed and one

[shaun]: 30:18

m

[laurie_white]: 30:18

of the reasons that supports my

[scott]: 30:20

it was just in the general

[laurie_white]: 30:20

in the

[scott]: 30:21

direction

[laurie_white]: 30:21

general direction

[scott]: 30:21

of all of

[laurie_white]: 30:22

of

[scott]: 30:22

you

[laurie_white]: 30:22

all

[scott]: 30:22

more

[shaun]: 30:22

m

[laurie_white]: 30:22

of you more

[scott]: 30:22

really

[laurie_white]: 30:23

really yeah

[shaun]: 30:24

m

[laurie_white]: 30:24

and i mean because my other partner

[scott]: 30:25

yeah

[laurie_white]: 30:25

was at the back door and it's

[shaun]: 30:26

oh

[laurie_white]: 30:26

a town house unit right so you got the front door into the

[scott]: 30:28

yeah

[laurie_white]: 30:28

car or and then the other door on the back

[shaun]: 30:30

hm

[laurie_white]: 30:30

and he actually shot two shots

[shaun]: 30:32

yeah

[laurie_white]: 30:33

but i didn't hear that so they were two

[shaun]: 30:34

m

[laurie_white]: 30:34

in quick succession and so

[shaun]: 30:36

hm

[laurie_white]: 30:37

i think that that even

[shaun]: 30:38

yeah

[laurie_white]: 30:39

lent itself to just like a panic move is kind of

[shaun]: 30:41

oh

[laurie_white]: 30:41

what i have believed all along

[shaun]: 30:44

yeah now

[scott]: 30:45

hm

[shaun]: 30:45

how do that i mean do you

[scott]: 30:46

m

[shaun]: 30:46

know you're

[laurie_white]: 30:47

now

[shaun]: 30:47

dealing with

[laurie_white]: 30:47

our

[shaun]: 30:47

what

[laurie_white]: 30:48

dealing

[shaun]: 30:48

you're dealing

[laurie_white]: 30:48

with what

[shaun]: 30:48

with

[laurie_white]: 30:48

you

[shaun]: 30:48

and we'll get into that your recovery you know all of that through that you're you know your physical therapy and everything like that but from the mental side of the so would you have wanted

[laurie_white]: 30:57

you

[shaun]: 30:57

to face that individual how did you feel about that like some people are good

[laurie_white]: 31:01

people

[shaun]: 31:01

some people

[laurie_white]: 31:02

are good

[shaun]: 31:02

are bad with that

[laurie_white]: 31:04

i think

[scott]: 31:04

oh

[laurie_white]: 31:05

for me

[shaun]: 31:05

oh

[laurie_white]: 31:06

well

[scott]: 31:07

m

[laurie_white]: 31:07

suicide is never

[scott]: 31:08

i

[laurie_white]: 31:08

the answer let's face it

[shaun]: 31:09

yeah

[scott]: 31:09

ah

[laurie_white]: 31:09

i have been through

[scott]: 31:11

oh

[laurie_white]: 31:11

some really dark times

[shaun]: 31:12

m

[laurie_white]: 31:12

myself since

[shaun]: 31:13

hm

[laurie_white]: 31:13

then certainly not before to

[scott]: 31:15

m

[laurie_white]: 31:15

and and suicide

[scott]: 31:15

oh

[laurie_white]: 31:16

is

[shaun]: 31:16

m

[laurie_white]: 31:16

never the answer that said i'm great

[shaun]: 31:18

m

[laurie_white]: 31:18

that i didn't have to go through a court process because here

[scott]: 31:21

oh

[laurie_white]: 31:21

in canada are justice system is a lot different from yours

[scott]: 31:23

oh

[shaun]: 31:24

yeah

[laurie_white]: 31:24

and i don't know that i would have

[scott]: 31:25

oh

[laurie_white]: 31:26

had any sense of justice had i had to go through that process

[scott]: 31:30

oh

[shaun]: 31:30

yeah

[laurie_white]: 31:30

so i'm kind of

[scott]: 31:31

m

[laurie_white]: 31:31

grateful for a selfish perspective that i didn't have

[scott]: 31:33

m

[laurie_white]: 31:33

to i did have to go through an inquest

[scott]: 31:35

oh

[laurie_white]: 31:35

because that was just part of the mandatory process and that was very

[scott]: 31:38

oh

[laurie_white]: 31:38

difficult very emotional

[shaun]: 31:40

hm

[laurie_white]: 31:40

very

[scott]: 31:40

oh

[shaun]: 31:41

yeah

[laurie_white]: 31:41

retraumatizing and so

[shaun]: 31:42

oh

[laurie_white]: 31:43

i

[scott]: 31:43

oh

[laurie_white]: 31:43

look at that short period of time and think oh my god if i had to go through some

[scott]: 31:47

oh

[laurie_white]: 31:47

sort of

[shaun]: 31:47

m

[laurie_white]: 31:47

extended court case it would have been

[scott]: 31:49

yeah

[laurie_white]: 31:49

really ruling so i'm very

[shaun]: 31:50

testifying

[laurie_white]: 31:51

grateful for my

[shaun]: 31:51

over

[laurie_white]: 31:51

own

[shaun]: 31:51

and

[laurie_white]: 31:51

purposes

[shaun]: 31:52

over and over again right

[laurie_white]: 31:52

yeah

[shaun]: 31:53

right right now that would have been

[laurie_white]: 31:54

that

[shaun]: 31:54

all

[laurie_white]: 31:54

would

[shaun]: 31:54

done in that province i'm assuming

[laurie_white]: 31:57

yes yeah

[shaun]: 31:58

at that

[laurie_white]: 31:58

absolutely

[shaun]: 31:58

point had you had you gone back to where you lived to this

[scott]: 32:01

m

[shaun]: 32:01

recovery or this is

[scott]: 32:02

oh

[shaun]: 32:02

all done wherever you know

[scott]: 32:03

yeah

[shaun]: 32:03

the man said you're going here this

[scott]: 32:05

oh

[shaun]: 32:05

is part of your benefits package and were deciding her you're

[scott]: 32:07

oh

[shaun]: 32:07

geting recovery

[laurie_white]: 32:09

well so for me what i did was vancouver was really

[scott]: 32:12

oh

[laurie_white]: 32:12

the place to be i mean

[shaun]: 32:14

hm

[laurie_white]: 32:14

when you're when you're

[scott]: 32:15

oh

[laurie_white]: 32:15

with the c p in a certain province you're you're kind of

[scott]: 32:17

oh

[laurie_white]: 32:18

owned

[shaun]: 32:18

m

[laurie_white]: 32:19

for lack of a better word by that province

[shaun]: 32:20

hm

[laurie_white]: 32:20

until you get sort of permission to leave i guess is

[scott]: 32:23

m

[laurie_white]: 32:23

the best way to say we're not prisoners there and we can transfer all

[shaun]: 32:25

right

[scott]: 32:25

yeah

[laurie_white]: 32:25

around

[shaun]: 32:25

right

[laurie_white]: 32:25

don't

[shaun]: 32:25

right

[laurie_white]: 32:25

get me wrong

[shaun]: 32:26

right

[laurie_white]: 32:26

but that's where our main

[scott]: 32:27

yeah

[shaun]: 32:28

oh

[laurie_white]: 32:28

supervisory

[scott]: 32:29

oh

[laurie_white]: 32:30

now organizational structure is within

[shaun]: 32:31

m

[laurie_white]: 32:31

that province and so i knew that because i

[shaun]: 32:34

m

[laurie_white]: 32:34

was at vancouver general vancouver is obviously a huge

[scott]: 32:36

a

[laurie_white]: 32:36

city the resources were there so

[shaun]: 32:39

hm

[laurie_white]: 32:40

everyone kind

[scott]: 32:40

m

[laurie_white]: 32:40

of kicked into action

[shaun]: 32:41

m

[laurie_white]: 32:41

my brothers i have three

[scott]: 32:42

oh

[laurie_white]: 32:42

of them my parents my really good friends

[shaun]: 32:44

m

[laurie_white]: 32:44

everyone kind of

[scott]: 32:45

oh

[laurie_white]: 32:45

doing research and trying to figure out where would it be the best place

[scott]: 32:48

yeah

[laurie_white]: 32:48

to go and so while my parents probably

[scott]: 32:50

m

[laurie_white]: 32:50

would have preferred that i go back to ontario

[shaun]: 32:52

yeah

[scott]: 32:52

oh

[laurie_white]: 32:53

they're from a smaller place as well so

[scott]: 32:55

oh

[laurie_white]: 32:55

the resources weren't really there either

[shaun]: 32:56

yeah

[laurie_white]: 32:57

so

[scott]: 32:57

yeah

[shaun]: 32:57

right

[laurie_white]: 32:58

in vancouver we found a

[scott]: 33:00

oh

[laurie_white]: 33:00

physiotherapist who in my opinion is probably

[scott]: 33:02

oh

[laurie_white]: 33:03

the best one in the country

[shaun]: 33:04

yeah

[laurie_white]: 33:04

and i was there fortunate to get in with her and so i ended up being

[scott]: 33:07

yeah

[laurie_white]: 33:07

an out patient at a rehab facility in vancouver and i ended

[scott]: 33:10

m

[laurie_white]: 33:10

up living there for my entire

[scott]: 33:11

oh

[shaun]: 33:11

oh

[laurie_white]: 33:12

rehab

[shaun]: 33:13

so do you think that your physical fitness

[scott]: 33:14

m

[shaun]: 33:14

level i mean this is important for cops to hear

[scott]: 33:16

m

[shaun]: 33:16

your physical fitness level prior to the injury

[scott]: 33:18

m

[shaun]: 33:18

prior to that you know that aspect

[scott]: 33:20

oh

[shaun]: 33:20

of from a physical standpoint at least better prepared

[scott]: 33:23

oh

[shaun]: 33:24

you for the physical therapy and the recovery process

[scott]: 33:26

oh

[laurie_white]: 33:27

one hundred percent and i always say as a skater i wasn't a very successful one but i did it my whole life and i coached

[scott]: 33:32

m

[laurie_white]: 33:33

and i think that being an athlete

[scott]: 33:35

oh

[laurie_white]: 33:36

i had appropriate ception which is

[scott]: 33:38

m

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that a bit ty to know where your

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m

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body is in space and i

[shaun]: 33:41

hm

[laurie_white]: 33:41

was

[scott]: 33:41

oh

[laurie_white]: 33:41

very good about knowing that and having that experience

[scott]: 33:44

oh

[laurie_white]: 33:44

in that body awareness was absolutely critical for my success

[scott]: 33:47

yeah

[laurie_white]: 33:47

in returning to work

[shaun]: 33:49

yeah that's great

[scott]: 33:50

oh

[shaun]: 33:50

and i guess without having to

[scott]: 33:53

oh

[shaun]: 33:53

dredge up things that

[laurie_white]: 33:54

i

[shaun]: 33:54

maybe you're difficult now the emotional

[laurie_white]: 33:56

the emotion

[shaun]: 33:56

side

[scott]: 33:56

oh

[shaun]: 33:56

of the psychological side of it what was what was that like were you know obviously you would not

[laurie_white]: 34:01

it's

[shaun]: 34:01

shown

[laurie_white]: 34:01

not

[scott]: 34:01

m

[shaun]: 34:01

and

[laurie_white]: 34:01

shown

[shaun]: 34:02

like our entire life he would be i'm out when i grow up i want to be a cop when i you know and when i when i'm older i wanted to

[scott]: 34:07

yes

[shaun]: 34:07

do different things now the physical aspect of it

[scott]: 34:09

my

[shaun]: 34:09

really prepared you for this

[laurie_white]: 34:10

hank

[shaun]: 34:10

moment you know this unfortunate moment

[laurie_white]: 34:12

for

[scott]: 34:13

yeah

[shaun]: 34:14

i would think

[laurie_white]: 34:14

i would

[shaun]: 34:14

like

[laurie_white]: 34:14

think

[shaun]: 34:14

i like to work out like a lot of

[scott]: 34:16

m

[shaun]: 34:16

other people that do tactical stuff and everything like that if i were to

[laurie_white]: 34:19

if

[shaun]: 34:19

be

[laurie_white]: 34:19

i

[shaun]: 34:19

injured

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were

[shaun]: 34:19

i would

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injured

[shaun]: 34:19

be more

[scott]: 34:20

m

[shaun]: 34:20

concerned

[laurie_white]: 34:20

more

[shaun]: 34:20

about my mental state than

[scott]: 34:22

m

[shaun]: 34:22

i would

[laurie_white]: 34:22

than

[shaun]: 34:22

ever

[laurie_white]: 34:22

would

[shaun]: 34:22

be about my

[laurie_white]: 34:23

be

[shaun]: 34:23

physical state because

[scott]: 34:24

m

[shaun]: 34:24

my physical state was like well it's just another

[laurie_white]: 34:25

it's just

[shaun]: 34:26

challenge you know what i mean

[laurie_white]: 34:27

what i

[scott]: 34:27

m

[laurie_white]: 34:27

mean

[shaun]: 34:27

maybe more challenging than

[laurie_white]: 34:28

challenging

[shaun]: 34:28

i could ave

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the

[shaun]: 34:28

you know ever planned on like

[laurie_white]: 34:30

and

[shaun]: 34:30

with

[scott]: 34:30

yeah

[shaun]: 34:30

yours but in

[scott]: 34:31

yeah

[shaun]: 34:31

the same sense it's

[laurie_white]: 34:32

same

[shaun]: 34:32

a challenge but

[laurie_white]: 34:32

allen

[shaun]: 34:33

like

[scott]: 34:33

oh

[shaun]: 34:33

the depression of not being able

[scott]: 34:34

yeah

[shaun]: 34:35

to get to that point and not maybe thinking i'll ever

[scott]: 34:37

m

[laurie_white]: 34:37

i'll

[shaun]: 34:37

at that point

[laurie_white]: 34:37

be at

[shaun]: 34:37

again what was that like am i projecting

[scott]: 34:39

oh

[shaun]: 34:39

or

[laurie_white]: 34:40

in

[shaun]: 34:40

is it inaccurate

[laurie_white]: 34:41

no it's

[scott]: 34:42

oh

[laurie_white]: 34:42

it's accurate it's just that i think back then we weren't

[scott]: 34:45

oh

[laurie_white]: 34:45

talking about mental health nearly to the same degree that we

[scott]: 34:48

oh

[laurie_white]: 34:48

are in twenty twenty two and so

[scott]: 34:50

oh

[laurie_white]: 34:51

i had a visit from a psychiatrist when i was in the hospital

[scott]: 34:53

oh

[laurie_white]: 34:54

just kind of after they did a critical incident stressing

[scott]: 34:56

m

[laurie_white]: 34:57

briefing among the other people i wasn't really part of that

[scott]: 34:59

oh

[laurie_white]: 34:59

but you know they did all the things that you're supposed to do they brought somebody to and and he kind of did an interview and said

[shaun]: 35:07

m

[laurie_white]: 35:07

i think you're kind of as good

[scott]: 35:08

m

[laurie_white]: 35:08

as you can be given

[shaun]: 35:09

yeah

[laurie_white]: 35:10

your circumstances right now and so

[scott]: 35:11

oh

[laurie_white]: 35:11

here's my

[shaun]: 35:12

hm

[laurie_white]: 35:12

card and call if you need but

[scott]: 35:14

m

[laurie_white]: 35:14

because i think

[scott]: 35:15

m

[laurie_white]: 35:15

i was an athlete i've started focusing

[shaun]: 35:17

m

[scott]: 35:17

oh

[laurie_white]: 35:18

on the injury itself so

[shaun]: 35:19

h

[laurie_white]: 35:20

it's more about

[shaun]: 35:20

m

[laurie_white]: 35:20

the stuff that you can control

[scott]: 35:21

m

[laurie_white]: 35:22

and

[shaun]: 35:22

right

[laurie_white]: 35:22

so i really was

[scott]: 35:24

ah

[laurie_white]: 35:24

focused on

[scott]: 35:25

yeah

[laurie_white]: 35:25

getting

[shaun]: 35:25

m

[laurie_white]: 35:26

as much mobility and as much activity level back as as i possibly could

[shaun]: 35:30

yeah

[laurie_white]: 35:31

so the emotional side of it really kind of took a

[shaun]: 35:33

yeah

[laurie_white]: 35:33

back seat except that

[shaun]: 35:35

m

[laurie_white]: 35:36

you don't pay attention to your brain comes back to bite you in the ass and and that's

[shaun]: 35:41

right

[laurie_white]: 35:41

exactly what happened i had for the first few weeks it was more about wound care and

[shaun]: 35:45

m

[laurie_white]: 35:46

and i was kind of playing hostess a little bit in the hospital

[shaun]: 35:48

m

[laurie_white]: 35:48

i mean my situation was very high

[shaun]: 35:50

m

[laurie_white]: 35:50

profile i had lots of there's lots of media interest

[shaun]: 35:53

m

[laurie_white]: 35:53

in all that well once

[shaun]: 35:55

my

[laurie_white]: 35:55

i got released from the hospital and once i started to live in this

[shaun]: 35:58

m

[laurie_white]: 35:59

furnished condo that was not my home in a strange

[shaun]: 36:01

hm

[laurie_white]: 36:02

city my mom had her job to come and be my full time care giver and that's when the heaviness

[shaun]: 36:06

oh

[laurie_white]: 36:07

and the darkness really set in i just

[shaun]: 36:09

my

[laurie_white]: 36:09

that's when you don't have any control over that part that just set

[shaun]: 36:12

yeah

[laurie_white]: 36:12

right in and

[shaun]: 36:13

yeah

[laurie_white]: 36:13

i really struggled

[shaun]: 36:15

to the data day and it's not in the work

[laurie_white]: 36:17

and

[shaun]: 36:17

you

[laurie_white]: 36:17

the

[shaun]: 36:18

know

[laurie_white]: 36:18

work

[shaun]: 36:18

people say that the work an creates a lot of that mental stress but even though

[laurie_white]: 36:21

no

[shaun]: 36:22

like compare it to my wife when you listen to our show i talk about how she left and she

[laurie_white]: 36:26

la

[shaun]: 36:27

was glad to leave to have children and and get like whatever would be a more stable life whatever that was but

[laurie_white]: 36:31

that

[shaun]: 36:31

i

[laurie_white]: 36:31

was

[shaun]: 36:31

could tell like there was that void that was there as well so you're kind of recovering with in two

[laurie_white]: 36:36

it

[shaun]: 36:36

fold it was like an unplanned

[laurie_white]: 36:38

unplanned

[shaun]: 36:39

absence from the work do you think that that is what motivated

[laurie_white]: 36:43

what

[shaun]: 36:43

you to get like when

[laurie_white]: 36:44

like

[shaun]: 36:44

we talked about ten months to

[laurie_white]: 36:46

oh

[shaun]: 36:46

get back and i'm assuming

[scott]: 36:47

oh

[shaun]: 36:47

this is a prosthetic leg

[laurie_white]: 36:49

yeah i mean

[scott]: 36:50

i

[laurie_white]: 36:50

i think for me i

[scott]: 36:51

oh

[laurie_white]: 36:51

was so desperate to regain what was so wrongfully taken from me i think that's

[shaun]: 36:56

hm

[laurie_white]: 36:57

how i viewed it right like i had worked really hard and that's the life style and the life that i had created for

[shaun]: 37:03

m

[laurie_white]: 37:03

myself that's what i wanted back no one was going to take

[shaun]: 37:05

ah

[laurie_white]: 37:05

that from me so that's what i really was

[shaun]: 37:07

m

[laurie_white]: 37:08

wanting to get that back because i wanted the choice to

[shaun]: 37:10

my

[laurie_white]: 37:10

be mine like if i left policing i wanted that choice to be mine and

[shaun]: 37:14

right

[laurie_white]: 37:14

so focusing on the physical side was kind of the only thing that i really had any sense of control over

[shaun]: 37:21

how do you know that let's know cut to the quick on

[laurie_white]: 37:24

the

[shaun]: 37:25

the big thing here is the mental aspect

[laurie_white]: 37:27

mental

[shaun]: 37:27

of it how did you deal with that what was

[laurie_white]: 37:29

what

[shaun]: 37:30

like you talk about

[scott]: 37:31

right

[shaun]: 37:31

what you want what you're comfortable

[scott]: 37:32

what

[shaun]: 37:32

talking about but like what was how did you get through that

[scott]: 37:36

yah

[shaun]: 37:36

i mean right you know you probably deal with it still every day i'm assuming

[laurie_white]: 37:40

i do i mean it's i think it's a lifelong navigation i don't think it's anything like a

[shaun]: 37:45

oh

[laurie_white]: 37:45

physical injury where you

[scott]: 37:47

right

[laurie_white]: 37:47

get injured

[shaun]: 37:48

m

[laurie_white]: 37:48

and then you just get

[scott]: 37:49

oh

[laurie_white]: 37:49

better you recover you do all the things that you're told to do you do all ear we have an um it's just not like that with your brain you can there's

[shaun]: 37:56

m

[laurie_white]: 37:57

lots

[scott]: 37:57

oh

[laurie_white]: 37:57

of treatment but i don't think that it's something that i personally will ever entirely come get overcome

[scott]: 38:04

oh

[laurie_white]: 38:04

so

[shaun]: 38:04

hm

[laurie_white]: 38:04

i think the

[scott]: 38:05

what

[laurie_white]: 38:05

dark

[scott]: 38:05

kind

[laurie_white]: 38:05

sorry

[scott]: 38:06

of

[shaun]: 38:06

m

[scott]: 38:07

what what kind

[laurie_white]: 38:08

what

[shaun]: 38:08

yeah

[scott]: 38:08

of

[laurie_white]: 38:08

kind

[scott]: 38:08

resources

[laurie_white]: 38:08

of resources

[scott]: 38:08

did they

[laurie_white]: 38:09

did they

[scott]: 38:09

offer

[laurie_white]: 38:09

offer

[scott]: 38:09

to you

[laurie_white]: 38:09

to you

[scott]: 38:10

or

[shaun]: 38:10

m

[scott]: 38:10

were

[laurie_white]: 38:10

or

[scott]: 38:10

they

[laurie_white]: 38:10

were they

[scott]: 38:11

if they

[laurie_white]: 38:11

they

[scott]: 38:11

didn't

[laurie_white]: 38:12

didn't

[scott]: 38:12

have

[laurie_white]: 38:12

have

[scott]: 38:12

everything

[shaun]: 38:12

m

[laurie_white]: 38:12

everything

[scott]: 38:12

that

[laurie_white]: 38:13

that

[scott]: 38:13

they

[laurie_white]: 38:13

they

[scott]: 38:15

they didn't

[shaun]: 38:16

yeah

[scott]: 38:16

have

[laurie_white]: 38:16

didn't

[scott]: 38:16

enough

[laurie_white]: 38:16

have enough

[scott]: 38:16

for you

[laurie_white]: 38:16

for

[scott]: 38:16

do

[laurie_white]: 38:17

you

[scott]: 38:17

they

[laurie_white]: 38:17

to they

[scott]: 38:17

offer

[laurie_white]: 38:17

offer

[scott]: 38:17

you to

[laurie_white]: 38:17

you

[scott]: 38:17

go

[laurie_white]: 38:17

to

[scott]: 38:18

outside

[laurie_white]: 38:18

go outside

[scott]: 38:18

to get

[laurie_white]: 38:18

to

[scott]: 38:18

the

[laurie_white]: 38:19

get

[scott]: 38:19

help with

[laurie_white]: 38:19

help

[scott]: 38:19

that

[laurie_white]: 38:19

with

[scott]: 38:19

that

[laurie_white]: 38:19

that

[shaun]: 38:19

oh

[scott]: 38:19

you

[laurie_white]: 38:19

that

[scott]: 38:19

needed

[laurie_white]: 38:19

you need

[scott]: 38:20

how

[laurie_white]: 38:20

how

[scott]: 38:20

is that

[laurie_white]: 38:20

is that

[scott]: 38:21

how did that

[laurie_white]: 38:21

ow did

[scott]: 38:21

work

[laurie_white]: 38:21

that

[scott]: 38:21

with

[laurie_white]: 38:21

work

[scott]: 38:21

the

[laurie_white]: 38:21

with

[scott]: 38:21

agency

[shaun]: 38:21

m

[laurie_white]: 38:21

the agency we do have good coverage and the problem is

[shaun]: 38:25

m

[laurie_white]: 38:25

is that when you're suffering

[scott]: 38:27

oh

[laurie_white]: 38:27

you don't always have energy or the mental wherewithal

[scott]: 38:29

oh

[laurie_white]: 38:30

or the awareness

[scott]: 38:31

yeah

[laurie_white]: 38:32

recognize that you're suffering to the degree that you are and that was

[shaun]: 38:35

yeah

[laurie_white]: 38:35

really what happened to me i finally

[scott]: 38:37

oh

[laurie_white]: 38:37

ended up in a very dark place where i was suicidal for a while i couldn't see any hope i was

[shaun]: 38:43

m

[laurie_white]: 38:43

bitter i was

[scott]: 38:44

m

[laurie_white]: 38:44

wanting

[shaun]: 38:45

my

[laurie_white]: 38:45

that i was

[scott]: 38:46

m

[laurie_white]: 38:46

angry that the

[shaun]: 38:47

oh

[laurie_white]: 38:48

it hadn't killed me

[scott]: 38:49

m

[laurie_white]: 38:49

because i felt like

[shaun]: 38:50

hm

[laurie_white]: 38:50

what now i have nothing left

[scott]: 38:51

m

[laurie_white]: 38:52

i have

[shaun]: 38:52

m

[laurie_white]: 38:52

my whole life as a

[scott]: 38:53

yeah

[laurie_white]: 38:53

everything that i knew was now gone and so there was that

[shaun]: 38:57

m

[scott]: 38:57

hm

[laurie_white]: 38:57

element of the

[scott]: 38:58

oh

[laurie_white]: 38:58

mental side

[shaun]: 38:58

yeah

[laurie_white]: 38:59

of it physical pain was excruciating beyond belief too so it was

[scott]: 39:03

m

[laurie_white]: 39:03

just both things just unrelenting and so

[shaun]: 39:06

yeah

[laurie_white]: 39:06

it was very difficult

[scott]: 39:07

yeah

[laurie_white]: 39:07

phase of my my life

[scott]: 39:08

yeah

[shaun]: 39:10

so you know the pace at which you did it was amazing to me like ten months like some people can't

[scott]: 39:19

m

[shaun]: 39:19

get

[laurie_white]: 39:19

people

[shaun]: 39:20

over

[laurie_white]: 39:20

can't

[shaun]: 39:20

you

[laurie_white]: 39:20

get

[shaun]: 39:20

know

[laurie_white]: 39:20

over

[shaun]: 39:20

maybe not getting a job within the police world within

[scott]: 39:23

yeah

[shaun]: 39:23

ten months like you ran the

[scott]: 39:25

oh

[shaun]: 39:25

risk of

[laurie_white]: 39:25

and

[shaun]: 39:25

losing

[laurie_white]: 39:25

the

[shaun]: 39:26

it all and then within ten months you're back

[scott]: 39:28

oh

[shaun]: 39:28

like how how did you do

[laurie_white]: 39:30

how

[shaun]: 39:31

that

[scott]: 39:31

oh

[laurie_white]: 39:31

did

[shaun]: 39:31

i mean it's kind of amazing like you know

[laurie_white]: 39:33

amazing

[shaun]: 39:33

what was it just you was it you know

[laurie_white]: 39:36

as it

[shaun]: 39:36

hard work i

[scott]: 39:36

what

[shaun]: 39:36

mean was it what was it

[laurie_white]: 39:39

well

[scott]: 39:39

what

[laurie_white]: 39:39

i think i'm stubborn for one and i do work hard and i

[scott]: 39:43

oh

[laurie_white]: 39:43

did reach out

[shaun]: 39:43

yeah

[laurie_white]: 39:44

and i got some some psychological help i think that was critical as well but i also think that for me

[scott]: 39:49

ah

[laurie_white]: 39:49

the things that worked for me i will never be a person who goes out there and say says hey you know these are the five steps to

[scott]: 39:55

m

[laurie_white]: 39:55

overcome

[shaun]: 39:56

m

[scott]: 39:56

yeah

[laurie_white]: 39:56

adversity or anything i'm not going to be that person i can tell you things that worked for me and what worked for me

[shaun]: 40:01

m

[laurie_white]: 40:02

was he a routine i really relied heavily on being accountable

[shaun]: 40:07

m

[laurie_white]: 40:07

to someone or something appointments

[shaun]: 40:09

hm

[laurie_white]: 40:09

my physiotherapist every day i

[shaun]: 40:11

yeah

[laurie_white]: 40:11

was going to do this it was like clockwork and as a matter of fact

[shaun]: 40:14

m

[laurie_white]: 40:14

what

[scott]: 40:14

m

[laurie_white]: 40:14

ended up happening is several months into

[shaun]: 40:17

m

[laurie_white]: 40:17

my re hab my physiotherapist actually kind of played a trick on me she and my

[shaun]: 40:22

oh

[laurie_white]: 40:22

mom collaborated behind the scenes

[shaun]: 40:24

yeah

[laurie_white]: 40:24

to

[shaun]: 40:25

yeah

[laurie_white]: 40:25

lie to me to tell me that she was taking time off and so

[shaun]: 40:28

m

[laurie_white]: 40:28

therefore i had to time off and i was pissed off i didn't want to

[scott]: 40:30

oh

[laurie_white]: 40:30

take time off because i felt

[shaun]: 40:31

you're

[laurie_white]: 40:32

like

[shaun]: 40:32

like

[laurie_white]: 40:32

any rest

[shaun]: 40:33

how

[laurie_white]: 40:33

any

[shaun]: 40:33

dare

[laurie_white]: 40:34

rest

[scott]: 40:34

right

[shaun]: 40:34

you

[laurie_white]: 40:34

to me equalled weakness yeah

[shaun]: 40:36

right right

[laurie_white]: 40:37

so

[scott]: 40:37

right

[laurie_white]: 40:37

i thought

[shaun]: 40:37

o

[laurie_white]: 40:38

that's not i don't

[shaun]: 40:39

oh

[laurie_white]: 40:39

want to take a break because that doesn't demonstrate dedication that just shows laziness so i was unrelenting

[scott]: 40:45

yeah

[laurie_white]: 40:46

when it came to it was a twenty four seven job and i was

[scott]: 40:49

what

[laurie_white]: 40:49

hell bent on

[scott]: 40:50

ah

[shaun]: 40:51

m

[laurie_white]: 40:51

my recovery

[shaun]: 40:53

now you said it was a high profile

[laurie_white]: 40:54

it was a

[shaun]: 40:55

incident within the canadian media did you

[laurie_white]: 40:57

did you

[shaun]: 40:58

like was that on the front

[laurie_white]: 40:59

that on

[shaun]: 40:59

end

[laurie_white]: 40:59

the

[shaun]: 40:59

like everybody is like hey praise praise praise or did this go on for a while as it

[laurie_white]: 41:03

whole

[shaun]: 41:03

recognized like again how did that go

[laurie_white]: 41:05

how did

[shaun]: 41:05

when you receive the these honours was it like in full regalia was it a little bit more bedside was it what was it like for you and then did it all just go

[laurie_white]: 41:13

all

[shaun]: 41:13

away

[laurie_white]: 41:13

go away

[shaun]: 41:14

and did that lead to some of the darkness like people just don't care or

[laurie_white]: 41:17

are

[shaun]: 41:17

kind of a thing

[laurie_white]: 41:18

so the awards were way later on and honestly i'm grateful and i'm honored but

[shaun]: 41:22

m

[laurie_white]: 41:23

that's just kind of a side note you know it's it's

[scott]: 41:25

yeah

[laurie_white]: 41:25

there nice

[scott]: 41:26

yeah

[laurie_white]: 41:26

to have and i'm very like i said humbled but i i didn't get that until way down the road

[shaun]: 41:32

okay

[scott]: 41:33

yeah

[laurie_white]: 41:33

in the moment it was i was in the hospital for about

[shaun]: 41:35

m

[laurie_white]: 41:35

three weeks and it was just it was a circus in so many respects i mean

[shaun]: 41:39

m

[laurie_white]: 41:39

era young

[shaun]: 41:41

yeah

[laurie_white]: 41:41

female smaller northern community

[shaun]: 41:43

oh

[laurie_white]: 41:44

sex offend are like just all

[shaun]: 41:46

yeah

[laurie_white]: 41:46

the elements and yet it was nineteen ninety eight so word

[shaun]: 41:48

yeah

[laurie_white]: 41:48

didn't travel as quickly as it currently

[shaun]: 41:50

right

[laurie_white]: 41:50

does but it

[shaun]: 41:51

h

[laurie_white]: 41:51

was very high

[scott]: 41:51

no

[laurie_white]: 41:51

profile at the time

[shaun]: 41:52

m

[laurie_white]: 41:53

front page is the

[shaun]: 41:54

oh

[laurie_white]: 41:54

s a lead story in the news in front page of the paper like it was it was a big deal

[shaun]: 41:59

i remember that at that time i was

[scott]: 42:00

oh

[laurie_white]: 42:00

that

[shaun]: 42:00

watching c b n

[laurie_white]: 42:01

she

[shaun]: 42:01

was it was

[laurie_white]: 42:02

love

[shaun]: 42:02

it there

[laurie_white]: 42:02

it

[shaun]: 42:02

like that was like your c n n like c n was like this a little globe thing and i as like what's going on up in canada

[scott]: 42:07

o

[shaun]: 42:07

you know what i mean and

[scott]: 42:08

yeah

[shaun]: 42:08

god i wish i had paid attention it a little bit more because i mean that was very popular

[laurie_white]: 42:12

very

[shaun]: 42:12

back then and and it was you know network

[laurie_white]: 42:16

and

[shaun]: 42:16

that

[laurie_white]: 42:16

network

[shaun]: 42:16

you know if you lived up in the northern half united states you got it i mean you could get it dependent upon like sometimes we go to hockey tournament see you can they'll get it like you you're

[laurie_white]: 42:23

yeah

[shaun]: 42:23

that

[scott]: 42:23

ah

[shaun]: 42:23

close to it particularly like in the michigan area right across right across the river from toronto it's like oh yeah i forgot about canada

[scott]: 42:30

oh

[shaun]: 42:31

they got all sorts of ship going on up there maybe i should watch canadian tellivision every now and then i actually spend my time watching that

[laurie_white]: 42:37

watching

[shaun]: 42:37

so i can't

[laurie_white]: 42:38

so

[shaun]: 42:38

imagine

[laurie_white]: 42:38

i can't i

[shaun]: 42:38

what it was like a ninety eight like one the

[laurie_white]: 42:41

one

[shaun]: 42:41

uniqueness of

[laurie_white]: 42:41

uniqueness

[shaun]: 42:41

females

[laurie_white]: 42:42

of

[shaun]: 42:42

in

[laurie_white]: 42:42

males

[shaun]: 42:43

the mounties is it

[scott]: 42:44

ye

[shaun]: 42:44

is it what percentage of

[laurie_white]: 42:46

can

[shaun]: 42:46

annis at that time was female

[laurie_white]: 42:48

at that time i don't know not very many i know in my detachment i think there was seventeen

[scott]: 42:52

oh

[laurie_white]: 42:53

and i think there were

[scott]: 42:54

oh

[laurie_white]: 42:54

three of us at that time and when i first arrived

[scott]: 42:56

oh

[laurie_white]: 42:56

there was only one other female

[scott]: 42:58

yeah

[shaun]: 42:58

yeah

[laurie_white]: 42:59

so we were kind of getting

[scott]: 43:00

yeah

[laurie_white]: 43:00

a few more over the course

[shaun]: 43:01

yeah

[laurie_white]: 43:02

of

[scott]: 43:02

yeah

[laurie_white]: 43:02

my you know

[shaun]: 43:04

oh

[laurie_white]: 43:04

experience there but not

[scott]: 43:05

yeah

[laurie_white]: 43:05

very many

[shaun]: 43:06

oh

[laurie_white]: 43:06

and i think that really led into

[scott]: 43:08

oh

[laurie_white]: 43:08

me being

[shaun]: 43:08

ah

[laurie_white]: 43:09

the one investigating a sex offender i mean a lot

[scott]: 43:10

yeah

[laurie_white]: 43:11

of the guys you will probably know they run from that stuff they do

[shaun]: 43:13

right

[laurie_white]: 43:13

not want to

[shaun]: 43:14

right

[laurie_white]: 43:14

deal with the sex offenders right

[shaun]: 43:15

right

[laurie_white]: 43:15

he don't want to die the witness

[scott]: 43:16

right

[laurie_white]: 43:16

statements and the

[scott]: 43:17

right

[laurie_white]: 43:17

victims statement they don't want to do that so

[shaun]: 43:19

there's also

[laurie_white]: 43:19

a lot

[shaun]: 43:19

a

[laurie_white]: 43:19

of

[shaun]: 43:19

lot

[laurie_white]: 43:19

times

[shaun]: 43:19

of guys

[laurie_white]: 43:19

it

[scott]: 43:19

oh

[laurie_white]: 43:20

lands

[shaun]: 43:20

that are like

[laurie_white]: 43:20

on the women's laps

[shaun]: 43:21

yeah well lose a s an excuse to not have to do one of those like

[scott]: 43:24

yeah

[shaun]: 43:24

they

[scott]: 43:24

oh

[shaun]: 43:24

want to talk to a woman

[laurie_white]: 43:25

and

[shaun]: 43:25

kind of a thing like so you

[laurie_white]: 43:26

yeah

[shaun]: 43:26

avoid it but in the same sense with that

[laurie_white]: 43:28

so

[shaun]: 43:29

i mean obviously

[laurie_white]: 43:29

with that

[shaun]: 43:30

you know you're

[laurie_white]: 43:30

i mean

[shaun]: 43:30

thrusting

[laurie_white]: 43:30

obviously

[shaun]: 43:31

i talked to any female officer they're

[laurie_white]: 43:32

the middle

[shaun]: 43:32

like oh yeah sex assault just came into

[scott]: 43:34

yeah

[laurie_white]: 43:34

yeah

[shaun]: 43:34

the hospital you know who's going like you know they're setting in the female they're like yeah

[scott]: 43:38

h

[shaun]: 43:38

there's the rest of my shift

[scott]: 43:39

m

[shaun]: 43:39

i'm dealing with

[laurie_white]: 43:39

exactly

[shaun]: 43:39

that whether it's legit or not

[laurie_white]: 43:42

or

[shaun]: 43:42

but

[laurie_white]: 43:42

not

[scott]: 43:42

no

[shaun]: 43:42

the flip side of that of being a female did you

[laurie_white]: 43:44

so

[shaun]: 43:44

feel any additional pressure being such a minority within the agency it's like you had to push yourself

[laurie_white]: 43:51

you

[shaun]: 43:51

that

[laurie_white]: 43:51

had

[shaun]: 43:51

much

[laurie_white]: 43:51

to

[shaun]: 43:51

harder or is that just has kind of a move beyond that way quicker

[laurie_white]: 43:55

on

[shaun]: 43:55

than the united states did

[laurie_white]: 43:58

i think we're moving past it but again i just have

[scott]: 44:00

we

[laurie_white]: 44:00

to remind myself that it was in nineteen

[scott]: 44:02

oh

[laurie_white]: 44:02

ninety eight and i

[shaun]: 44:03

yeah

[laurie_white]: 44:03

was very fortunate the detachment

[scott]: 44:04

no

[laurie_white]: 44:05

i worked in had a lot of very young

[scott]: 44:07

yeah

[laurie_white]: 44:07

people was a lot of people just kind of starting out there posting for a lot of them and

[shaun]: 44:12

hm

[laurie_white]: 44:12

so

[scott]: 44:12

m

[laurie_white]: 44:12

i felt very supported there with

[scott]: 44:15

m

[laurie_white]: 44:15

my colleagues and and so when i actually

[shaun]: 44:17

m

[laurie_white]: 44:17

chose

[scott]: 44:17

yah

[laurie_white]: 44:17

to go back

[shaun]: 44:18

oh

[laurie_white]: 44:18

to work

[scott]: 44:18

ah yeah

[laurie_white]: 44:18

i chose to go back there and my family was kind of what

[scott]: 44:22

m

[laurie_white]: 44:22

why would you go back to the very

[scott]: 44:24

right

[laurie_white]: 44:24

community and that that this all happened

[shaun]: 44:26

yeah

[laurie_white]: 44:26

in but

[scott]: 44:27

hm

[laurie_white]: 44:28

because i

[shaun]: 44:29

oh

[laurie_white]: 44:29

had so much support

[scott]: 44:30

yeah

[laurie_white]: 44:30

within the community itself

[shaun]: 44:32

oh

[laurie_white]: 44:32

with my colleagues

[scott]: 44:32

yeah

[laurie_white]: 44:33

and because i knew my way around i wanted to reduce

[shaun]: 44:36

yeah

[laurie_white]: 44:36

all those

[scott]: 44:36

m

[laurie_white]: 44:36

external stressers like i didn't want to have to learn new office procedures because every you

[scott]: 44:40

we

[laurie_white]: 44:40

go to a

[shaun]: 44:40

m

[laurie_white]: 44:40

new office obviously there's new ways of doing things there's new bosses

[shaun]: 44:43

right

[laurie_white]: 44:43

new dynamics

[shaun]: 44:43

right

[laurie_white]: 44:44

and i thought

[shaun]: 44:44

oh

[laurie_white]: 44:45

if i'm going to have

[scott]: 44:46

oh

[laurie_white]: 44:46

success in returning to work

[shaun]: 44:47

oh

[laurie_white]: 44:48

i need to take away as many of that as many

[shaun]: 44:51

m

[laurie_white]: 44:51

of those things that i can

[shaun]: 44:53

m

[laurie_white]: 44:53

take away and so that's

[shaun]: 44:54

hm

[laurie_white]: 44:54

why i chose

[scott]: 44:54

right

[laurie_white]: 44:55

to go back there because i thought at least if i

[shaun]: 44:56

oh

[laurie_white]: 44:56

fail i'll fail

[shaun]: 44:58

yeah

[scott]: 44:58

yeah

[laurie_white]: 44:59

surrounded by people who actually care about me

[scott]: 45:00

yeah

[shaun]: 45:01

yeah it's

[scott]: 45:01

well

[shaun]: 45:01

great

[scott]: 45:01

and you've

[shaun]: 45:01

that you

[scott]: 45:02

got

[laurie_white]: 45:02

and you've

[scott]: 45:02

you've

[laurie_white]: 45:02

got

[scott]: 45:02

got enough

[laurie_white]: 45:02

you've got

[scott]: 45:02

stress

[laurie_white]: 45:02

enough stress

[scott]: 45:03

you've got enough

[laurie_white]: 45:04

got

[scott]: 45:04

stress

[laurie_white]: 45:04

enough

[scott]: 45:04

from

[laurie_white]: 45:04

stress from

[shaun]: 45:05

m

[scott]: 45:05

just

[laurie_white]: 45:05

just

[scott]: 45:05

coming

[shaun]: 45:05

m

[laurie_white]: 45:06

coming

[scott]: 45:06

back

[laurie_white]: 45:06

back

[scott]: 45:06

from this

[laurie_white]: 45:06

from this

[scott]: 45:07

difficult

[laurie_white]: 45:08

difficult

[shaun]: 45:08

oh

[scott]: 45:08

incident

[laurie_white]: 45:08

incident

[scott]: 45:09

why

[laurie_white]: 45:09

why

[scott]: 45:09

add all

[laurie_white]: 45:09

add

[scott]: 45:09

that

[laurie_white]: 45:09

all

[scott]: 45:10

other

[shaun]: 45:10

yeah

[laurie_white]: 45:10

that

[scott]: 45:10

stuff

[laurie_white]: 45:10

other stuff

[scott]: 45:10

on to

[laurie_white]: 45:10

on

[scott]: 45:10

it too

[laurie_white]: 45:11

to

[scott]: 45:11

about

[laurie_white]: 45:11

it too about

[scott]: 45:11

going to

[laurie_white]: 45:12

going

[scott]: 45:12

a new

[laurie_white]: 45:12

to

[scott]: 45:12

place

[laurie_white]: 45:12

a new place

[scott]: 45:12

a new location

[laurie_white]: 45:13

a new location

[scott]: 45:13

new people

[laurie_white]: 45:14

new people

[scott]: 45:14

new bostons

[laurie_white]: 45:14

new

[shaun]: 45:14

yeah

[laurie_white]: 45:14

boss

[scott]: 45:14

like you said

[laurie_white]: 45:15

like you said

[shaun]: 45:15

but they sing

[laurie_white]: 45:16

i wanted

[shaun]: 45:16

the treatment

[laurie_white]: 45:16

to prove

[shaun]: 45:16

of

[laurie_white]: 45:16

myself to myself right and i needed to be able to do that and really focus on that

[shaun]: 45:21

yeah

[laurie_white]: 45:22

i had already proven myself to many people

[shaun]: 45:25

yeah

[laurie_white]: 45:25

but i need to prove

[scott]: 45:26

ah

[laurie_white]: 45:26

myself to myself now

[scott]: 45:27

yeah

[shaun]: 45:28

right which is probably one of

[scott]: 45:29

right

[shaun]: 45:29

the harshest

[laurie_white]: 45:29

of the

[shaun]: 45:29

judges of all it's funny that you

[laurie_white]: 45:31

it's funny

[shaun]: 45:31

say

[laurie_white]: 45:31

that

[shaun]: 45:31

that

[laurie_white]: 45:31

you say

[shaun]: 45:32

that's

[laurie_white]: 45:32

that

[shaun]: 45:32

funny but it's

[laurie_white]: 45:32

funny

[shaun]: 45:32

it's

[laurie_white]: 45:32

but

[shaun]: 45:32

cool that

[laurie_white]: 45:33

it's

[shaun]: 45:33

you say

[laurie_white]: 45:33

cool

[shaun]: 45:33

that

[laurie_white]: 45:33

that

[shaun]: 45:33

because

[laurie_white]: 45:34

because

[shaun]: 45:34

we just did a

[laurie_white]: 45:35

we

[shaun]: 45:35

show

[laurie_white]: 45:35

just

[shaun]: 45:35

with

[laurie_white]: 45:35

did a

[shaun]: 45:35

drproasgoto

[laurie_white]: 45:35

show

[shaun]: 45:36

kansas and she does a resiliency program

[laurie_white]: 45:38

in

[shaun]: 45:38

here in the united states

[laurie_white]: 45:39

the

[shaun]: 45:39

and she

[laurie_white]: 45:39

state

[shaun]: 45:39

talked about people that

[scott]: 45:41

no

[laurie_white]: 45:41

all day

[shaun]: 45:41

fare better

[laurie_white]: 45:42

or

[scott]: 45:42

it

[laurie_white]: 45:42

better

[shaun]: 45:43

in post dramatic

[laurie_white]: 45:43

in postraumatic

[shaun]: 45:43

stress dealings

[laurie_white]: 45:44

stress dealings

[shaun]: 45:45

are people that have

[laurie_white]: 45:46

that have

[shaun]: 45:46

really intact

[laurie_white]: 45:47

all

[shaun]: 45:47

and really really solid social structures of people in their lives like

[laurie_white]: 45:51

i

[shaun]: 45:51

they say one of the things that's

[laurie_white]: 45:52

one

[shaun]: 45:52

troubling about young people now is that a lot more of it is social media

[laurie_white]: 45:55

cal media

[shaun]: 45:55

and like not real

[scott]: 45:56

yeah

[shaun]: 45:57

it's through the phone like i know somebody

[laurie_white]: 45:58

now somebody

[shaun]: 45:58

from this country

[laurie_white]: 45:59

this

[shaun]: 45:59

are so far away but i've never

[laurie_white]: 46:00

way but

[shaun]: 46:00

actually physically met them in way that we communicate with each other text and not in person so you're wanting to go

[laurie_white]: 46:05

want

[shaun]: 46:06

back to that location kind of supports what she said like you're going back

[laurie_white]: 46:09

going

[shaun]: 46:09

to that support network that gives you that strength to rise above it so that's great to hear and it kind of re enforces it

[laurie_white]: 46:13

for

[shaun]: 46:14

you know it's so far away from

[laurie_white]: 46:16

far

[shaun]: 46:17

kansas

[laurie_white]: 46:17

away from

[shaun]: 46:17

where she's professing it and seeing it so it's it's great to hear now once you

[laurie_white]: 46:22

once

[shaun]: 46:22

got back

[laurie_white]: 46:22

you got

[shaun]: 46:23

on the

[laurie_white]: 46:23

back

[shaun]: 46:23

ground

[laurie_white]: 46:23

on the

[shaun]: 46:23

how is your crew with you as everybody like oh kid gloves she got half

[scott]: 46:27

oh

[laurie_white]: 46:27

she

[shaun]: 46:27

a leg or was it just like it's laurie it's

[laurie_white]: 46:29

or

[shaun]: 46:29

laurie being laurie let's

[laurie_white]: 46:31

or

[shaun]: 46:31

just let her she's just got half a leg now

[laurie_white]: 46:33

but

[shaun]: 46:33

i mean

[scott]: 46:33

yeah

[shaun]: 46:33

how is that

[laurie_white]: 46:34

how is that so

[scott]: 46:36

m

[laurie_white]: 46:36

in order to go back to work

[scott]: 46:37

oh

[laurie_white]: 46:37

i was told by the m p that i had to do the pair test and it's called it's the pair test p a r e

[scott]: 46:42

yeah

[laurie_white]: 46:42

the physical abilities

[scott]: 46:44

m

[laurie_white]: 46:45

something or

[shaun]: 46:45

oh

[laurie_white]: 46:45

another test and it's

[scott]: 46:46

hm

[laurie_white]: 46:46

a test that we have to do

[shaun]: 46:48

oh

[laurie_white]: 46:48

in order to get accepted

[scott]: 46:49

yeah

[laurie_white]: 46:50

and then be

[shaun]: 46:51

oh

[laurie_white]: 46:51

graduate from

[scott]: 46:52

yeah

[laurie_white]: 46:53

our training program

[shaun]: 46:54

yeah

[laurie_white]: 46:54

and it's a time test an obstacle course test

[shaun]: 46:57

oh

[laurie_white]: 46:57

where it

[shaun]: 46:57

oh

[laurie_white]: 46:58

simulates a foot chase and then kind of a struggle with a bad guy and so that was the

[shaun]: 47:02

ye

[laurie_white]: 47:02

epitome of the physical training

[shaun]: 47:04

m

[laurie_white]: 47:05

testing that was the certification that you had to get in order to

[shaun]: 47:08

oh

[laurie_white]: 47:08

go back

[scott]: 47:08

yeah

[laurie_white]: 47:08

to work and i was pissed off back then because i didn't

[shaun]: 47:11

m

[laurie_white]: 47:11

understand why i had to do that test nobody else

[shaun]: 47:14

m

[laurie_white]: 47:14

had ever had to do that test and honestly to my knowledge twenty five years later no one still has so

[shaun]: 47:22

m

[laurie_white]: 47:22

that really frustrated me at the time because i thought why are the rules different for me like i've seen people go off have babies

[shaun]: 47:29

m

[laurie_white]: 47:29

heart surgery

[scott]: 47:30

i

[laurie_white]: 47:30

have need

[shaun]: 47:31

m right

[laurie_white]: 47:31

issues and surgeries and stuff and like why is it that the rules are different for me

[scott]: 47:35

m

[laurie_white]: 47:35

and so i was very angry about that

[shaun]: 47:37

m

[laurie_white]: 47:37

because i

[scott]: 47:38

oh

[laurie_white]: 47:38

felt like they were

[shaun]: 47:39

m

[laurie_white]: 47:39

wanting me to fail

[shaun]: 47:40

m right

[laurie_white]: 47:41

and

[shaun]: 47:41

yeah

[laurie_white]: 47:41

i was very defensive and

[scott]: 47:43

yeah

[laurie_white]: 47:43

i was

[shaun]: 47:43

m

[laurie_white]: 47:43

very

[shaun]: 47:43

yeah

[laurie_white]: 47:43

angry about the whole situation having said that

[shaun]: 47:46

yeah

[laurie_white]: 47:46

that was what was

[scott]: 47:47

oh

[laurie_white]: 47:47

out there that's what they told me

[shaun]: 47:48

yeah

[laurie_white]: 47:48

that i had to do and so that's what i had to do i was going to regain any

[shaun]: 47:54

yeah

[laurie_white]: 47:54

my work world and certainly if i was going to be able

[shaun]: 47:56

yeah

[laurie_white]: 47:56

to resume my normal activities in my athletic

[shaun]: 47:59

yeah

[laurie_white]: 47:59

endeavors in that then that was a good way to

[shaun]: 48:01

my

[laurie_white]: 48:01

practice for that also i did it but i was

[scott]: 48:04

oh

[laurie_white]: 48:04

angry

[shaun]: 48:04

m

[laurie_white]: 48:05

um because i didn't feel like it was fair

[shaun]: 48:08

m

[laurie_white]: 48:08

and so

[shaun]: 48:09

m

[laurie_white]: 48:09

the

[shaun]: 48:09

ye

[laurie_white]: 48:09

world is not a just place i'm well aware of that now but at the time it felt like

[shaun]: 48:13

a

[laurie_white]: 48:13

another slap in the face and so what

[shaun]: 48:14

right

[laurie_white]: 48:15

i did was worked my ass off

[shaun]: 48:17

a

[laurie_white]: 48:17

and i finally passed that test and then all a sudden they were saying oh i think they thought that

[scott]: 48:24

m

[laurie_white]: 48:25

i would

[shaun]: 48:25

wouldn't

[laurie_white]: 48:25

not be able to do it

[shaun]: 48:26

yeah

[laurie_white]: 48:27

and so

[scott]: 48:27

at

[laurie_white]: 48:28

it was very

[scott]: 48:28

right

[laurie_white]: 48:28

yeah very quiet for a while and i was just grinding right

[shaun]: 48:31

oh

[laurie_white]: 48:31

and then all sudden

[scott]: 48:32

right

[laurie_white]: 48:32

i surface and i can do the test ad they're ike holy ship that way what do we do with er so

[shaun]: 48:36

right right

[scott]: 48:36

oh

[laurie_white]: 48:37

all

[shaun]: 48:37

now

[laurie_white]: 48:37

sun

[shaun]: 48:37

what

[laurie_white]: 48:37

there's these new hopes there's

[shaun]: 48:38

you have

[laurie_white]: 48:38

yeah

[shaun]: 48:38

to lift

[laurie_white]: 48:39

new

[shaun]: 48:39

an

[laurie_white]: 48:39

obstacles

[shaun]: 48:39

elephant over your head

[laurie_white]: 48:41

exactly

[scott]: 48:41

right

[laurie_white]: 48:41

and that's what i felt like

[shaun]: 48:43

right

[laurie_white]: 48:43

so i had to do driving and i had to do our use of force

[scott]: 48:46

yeah

[laurie_white]: 48:46

computer stimulations

[shaun]: 48:47

i

[laurie_white]: 48:48

and i had to do shooting and i see a psychologist like all these new hoop so i was

[shaun]: 48:52

oh

[laurie_white]: 48:52

very very frustrated because i felt like now they had

[shaun]: 48:55

m

[laurie_white]: 48:56

for all those minds do the pair you have to do the pair you got to do the pair once they did the pair

[shaun]: 49:00

oh

[laurie_white]: 49:00

oh yeah by the way all these other things you got o d th hose now

[scott]: 49:02

yeah

[laurie_white]: 49:02

too

[scott]: 49:03

plus

[laurie_white]: 49:03

so i felt

[scott]: 49:03

plus

[laurie_white]: 49:03

like there

[scott]: 49:03

plus

[laurie_white]: 49:03

were delays

[scott]: 49:04

right

[laurie_white]: 49:04

yeah so

[shaun]: 49:06

my

[laurie_white]: 49:06

in october fourth of nineteen nine so yeah ten months

[scott]: 49:08

yeah

[laurie_white]: 49:08

after

[shaun]: 49:09

yeah

[laurie_white]: 49:09

my shooting i successfully returned to work and do you know what my very first call was

[scott]: 49:16

oh

[shaun]: 49:16

i'm not even gonna drop a gauntlet for you because i know yo're goin to pick it up what is it

[scott]: 49:20

yeah

[laurie_white]: 49:20

it was a call for a bear

[scott]: 49:24

oh

[shaun]: 49:24

for real get

[laurie_white]: 49:25

yeah

[shaun]: 49:25

out

[laurie_white]: 49:25

just

[shaun]: 49:26

are

[laurie_white]: 49:26

wandering

[shaun]: 49:26

you kidding

[laurie_white]: 49:26

around the neighbor wandering around the nighborhood that's exactly what as i was waiting there with bated brass like ready to just tackle

[shaun]: 49:31

yeah

[laurie_white]: 49:31

you know anything get right back

[shaun]: 49:33

yeah

[laurie_white]: 49:33

into

[scott]: 49:33

yeah

[laurie_white]: 49:33

the swing of police work and coortable white

[scott]: 49:36

oh

[laurie_white]: 49:36

dust to

[shaun]: 49:37

yeah

[laurie_white]: 49:37

a bear patrol like

[scott]: 49:39

m

[shaun]: 49:39

come

[laurie_white]: 49:39

not really

[shaun]: 49:40

on

[laurie_white]: 49:40

what i am looking for but it was

[shaun]: 49:40

right

[scott]: 49:41

uh

[shaun]: 49:41

right back

[laurie_white]: 49:41

and

[shaun]: 49:42

in the next say

[laurie_white]: 49:42

i did some very enthusiastic

[scott]: 49:43

yeah

[laurie_white]: 49:44

bear patrols i'll

[scott]: 49:44

i

[laurie_white]: 49:44

tell

[scott]: 49:44

wanted

[laurie_white]: 49:44

you that

[scott]: 49:45

to come

[laurie_white]: 49:45

i wanted

[scott]: 49:45

in back

[laurie_white]: 49:45

to

[scott]: 49:45

in with something more

[laurie_white]: 49:46

with some

[scott]: 49:46

intense

[laurie_white]: 49:46

more in

[scott]: 49:47

yeah like yeah

[shaun]: 49:48

well

[scott]: 49:48

it's

[shaun]: 49:48

but i

[scott]: 49:48

just

[shaun]: 49:48

mean like

[scott]: 49:48

a bare

[shaun]: 49:48

if you think about it like this like or were there like

[scott]: 49:50

not that

[shaun]: 49:50

it

[scott]: 49:51

that's not

[laurie_white]: 49:51

hats

[scott]: 49:51

that is pretty intense

[laurie_white]: 49:52

pretty

[scott]: 49:52

i say

[shaun]: 49:52

yeah

[scott]: 49:52

m

[shaun]: 49:53

just say i was going to say the exact same thing like that's pretty intense like like

[laurie_white]: 49:57

i

[shaun]: 49:57

were they messing

[laurie_white]: 49:57

the

[shaun]: 49:58

with you

[scott]: 49:58

m

[shaun]: 49:58

still there like well if the bear catches her he'll bite that lower leg that's not real and maybe he'll be pissed off and leave or something

[scott]: 50:03

oh

[shaun]: 50:03

like he'll break his tea there i'm like why would

[laurie_white]: 50:06

why

[shaun]: 50:06

they

[laurie_white]: 50:06

would

[shaun]: 50:06

whatever i mean it's you're there it's just

[laurie_white]: 50:07

there

[shaun]: 50:07

the odds of that or whatever like here's one thing

[laurie_white]: 50:09

here

[shaun]: 50:09

just

[laurie_white]: 50:10

one

[shaun]: 50:10

as

[laurie_white]: 50:10

thing

[shaun]: 50:10

a side note

[laurie_white]: 50:10

i know

[shaun]: 50:11

if there's a

[laurie_white]: 50:11

there

[shaun]: 50:11

mount

[laurie_white]: 50:11

is a mount

[shaun]: 50:13

museum

[laurie_white]: 50:13

museum

[shaun]: 50:13

somewhere

[laurie_white]: 50:14

somewhere

[shaun]: 50:14

you need to

[laurie_white]: 50:15

you need

[shaun]: 50:15

take that leg and put that in that damn museum so everybody that goes by that goes this is in

[laurie_white]: 50:21

this

[shaun]: 50:21

here

[laurie_white]: 50:21

is

[shaun]: 50:21

because

[laurie_white]: 50:21

in here

[shaun]: 50:22

no one else had to do this i mean that is an

[laurie_white]: 50:24

that

[shaun]: 50:24

amazing

[laurie_white]: 50:24

is a

[shaun]: 50:24

story that like like i don't know like

[laurie_white]: 50:26

don't know like to me

[shaun]: 50:27

like my wife's like why are you so

[laurie_white]: 50:28

why are

[shaun]: 50:28

mad

[laurie_white]: 50:28

you so

[shaun]: 50:28

about somethin

[laurie_white]: 50:28

mad

[shaun]: 50:29

work like let my

[laurie_white]: 50:30

my

[shaun]: 50:30

white

[laurie_white]: 50:30

wife

[shaun]: 50:30

hot rage light the way for

[laurie_white]: 50:33

we

[shaun]: 50:33

everybody

[scott]: 50:33

yeah

[shaun]: 50:34

that's got to come in behind me she's like yeah that sounds really cool but you

[laurie_white]: 50:36

yeah

[shaun]: 50:37

need to knock it off and take out the garbage but the bottom line is is like

[laurie_white]: 50:40

i

[scott]: 50:40

okay

[shaun]: 50:41

that's the kind of thing

[laurie_white]: 50:41

and

[shaun]: 50:41

like

[laurie_white]: 50:42

things

[shaun]: 50:42

that

[laurie_white]: 50:42

like

[shaun]: 50:42

level

[laurie_white]: 50:42

that

[shaun]: 50:42

of motivation

[laurie_white]: 50:42

level of motion

[shaun]: 50:43

like they kept dropping these gauntlets

[laurie_white]: 50:44

the

[shaun]: 50:44

for you

[laurie_white]: 50:45

lets

[shaun]: 50:45

and you were

[laurie_white]: 50:45

you

[shaun]: 50:45

like

[laurie_white]: 50:45

and

[shaun]: 50:45

okay

[laurie_white]: 50:45

your

[shaun]: 50:45

i pick it up pick it up okay bear call bring it you know what i an it sucks but go you know i mean it's it's like you're not above it you're not below it it's just like that's awesome i mean that that's

[laurie_white]: 50:56

it was just

[shaun]: 50:56

like

[laurie_white]: 50:56

part

[shaun]: 50:56

i

[laurie_white]: 50:56

of policing

[shaun]: 50:56

said if there's

[laurie_white]: 50:57

in the

[shaun]: 50:57

a

[laurie_white]: 50:57

north

[shaun]: 50:57

museum put him in there right

[laurie_white]: 50:58

yeah

[shaun]: 50:59

that would be great

[laurie_white]: 51:00

yeah but i think

[scott]: 51:01

yeah

[laurie_white]: 51:01

i think that also

[scott]: 51:03

yeah

[laurie_white]: 51:03

the fact that i did that pair it actually ended

[shaun]: 51:06

m

[laurie_white]: 51:06

up being a really good thing because

[shaun]: 51:07

m

[scott]: 51:07

oh

[laurie_white]: 51:07

i was judged everybody gets judged every single thing we all

[shaun]: 51:10

m

[laurie_white]: 51:10

do is judged um right or wrong

[shaun]: 51:13

yeah

[laurie_white]: 51:13

mostly wrong but we're judged and i

[shaun]: 51:15

m

[laurie_white]: 51:15

think

[scott]: 51:16

yeah

[laurie_white]: 51:16

that it lent a another level of credibility to

[shaun]: 51:19

hm

[laurie_white]: 51:19

me as a police officer returning when i was

[scott]: 51:21

oh

[laurie_white]: 51:22

now at that

[shaun]: 51:22

oh

[laurie_white]: 51:22

time twenty nine and

[shaun]: 51:23

yeah

[laurie_white]: 51:23

so

[scott]: 51:24

oh

[laurie_white]: 51:24

while i was

[shaun]: 51:24

yeah

[laurie_white]: 51:24

angry and bitter about the whole situation and frustrated that

[shaun]: 51:28

m

[laurie_white]: 51:28

i had

[scott]: 51:28

m

[laurie_white]: 51:28

so many hurdles to overcome and on

[shaun]: 51:30

yeah

[laurie_white]: 51:31

fair and all that kind of stuff i was grateful at the end that i was able to do it because being

[shaun]: 51:37

m

[laurie_white]: 51:37

able to

[shaun]: 51:38

oh

[laurie_white]: 51:39

showed other members and my colleagues that i'm just as capable now just different with my

[shaun]: 51:44

right

[laurie_white]: 51:45

fist

[shaun]: 51:45

right

[laurie_white]: 51:45

leg but i can

[scott]: 51:46

yeah

[shaun]: 51:46

m

[laurie_white]: 51:46

still do it still capable

[shaun]: 51:48

right right

[scott]: 51:50

how

[laurie_white]: 51:50

how

[scott]: 51:51

how

[laurie_white]: 51:52

how

[scott]: 51:52

long

[laurie_white]: 51:52

long

[scott]: 51:52

did it

[laurie_white]: 51:52

did

[scott]: 51:52

take

[laurie_white]: 51:52

it

[scott]: 51:52

you

[laurie_white]: 51:52

take

[scott]: 51:52

to

[laurie_white]: 51:52

you

[scott]: 51:53

get

[laurie_white]: 51:53

to

[scott]: 51:53

back

[laurie_white]: 51:53

get back

[scott]: 51:53

into

[laurie_white]: 51:53

into

[scott]: 51:53

a routine

[laurie_white]: 51:53

a routine

[scott]: 51:54

i mean

[laurie_white]: 51:54

and

[scott]: 51:54

did it take

[shaun]: 51:54

m

[scott]: 51:55

you did you feel

[laurie_white]: 51:55

did

[scott]: 51:55

like

[laurie_white]: 51:55

you feel

[scott]: 51:55

you

[laurie_white]: 51:56

like

[scott]: 51:56

were

[laurie_white]: 51:56

you were

[shaun]: 51:56

m

[scott]: 51:57

kind of starting

[laurie_white]: 51:57

it's starting

[scott]: 51:57

over

[laurie_white]: 51:57

over

[scott]: 51:58

i mean

[shaun]: 51:58

yes

[scott]: 51:58

obviously

[laurie_white]: 51:58

i mean obviously

[scott]: 51:58

you're dealing

[laurie_white]: 51:59

you're dealing

[scott]: 51:59

with

[shaun]: 51:59

yeah

[laurie_white]: 51:59

with

[scott]: 52:00

life changing

[laurie_white]: 52:00

life changing

[scott]: 52:01

event

[laurie_white]: 52:01

event

[scott]: 52:01

how long

[laurie_white]: 52:01

how

[scott]: 52:01

did

[laurie_white]: 52:01

long

[scott]: 52:01

it

[shaun]: 52:01

m

[laurie_white]: 52:01

did

[scott]: 52:01

take

[laurie_white]: 52:02

it

[scott]: 52:02

you

[laurie_white]: 52:02

take you

[scott]: 52:02

to really

[laurie_white]: 52:03

to

[shaun]: 52:03

m

[laurie_white]: 52:03

really

[scott]: 52:03

feel

[laurie_white]: 52:03

feel

[scott]: 52:03

comfortable

[laurie_white]: 52:03

comfortable

[scott]: 52:03

again

[laurie_white]: 52:04

again

[scott]: 52:04

and

[laurie_white]: 52:04

and

[scott]: 52:04

really

[laurie_white]: 52:04

really

[scott]: 52:04

get back

[laurie_white]: 52:04

get back

[scott]: 52:05

into your

[laurie_white]: 52:05

into

[scott]: 52:05

stride

[laurie_white]: 52:05

your stride

[shaun]: 52:05

m

[scott]: 52:06

as a

[laurie_white]: 52:06

as

[scott]: 52:06

cop

[laurie_white]: 52:06

a cop

[shaun]: 52:06

m

[scott]: 52:06

again

[laurie_white]: 52:07

i don't think it took me very long and i think that was largely to do

[shaun]: 52:10

yeah

[laurie_white]: 52:10

to the fact

[shaun]: 52:11

m

[laurie_white]: 52:11

largely due to the fat that i had that support

[shaun]: 52:13

m

[laurie_white]: 52:14

of environment to go back to so i don't feel that it took me that long to

[shaun]: 52:19

m

[laurie_white]: 52:19

get back into it so i was very fortunate for that so i finished out my my five years that i had

[shaun]: 52:24

m

[laurie_white]: 52:24

committed you

[scott]: 52:24

yeah

[laurie_white]: 52:25

and then

[shaun]: 52:26

yeah

[laurie_white]: 52:26

i was transferred to a different community and

[scott]: 52:28

oh

[laurie_white]: 52:28

so that's when i really

[shaun]: 52:29

m

[laurie_white]: 52:29

had to hit the reset button again so

[shaun]: 52:32

hm

[laurie_white]: 52:32

i already

[scott]: 52:32

yeah

[laurie_white]: 52:32

had a year and a half or so of being back at work

[shaun]: 52:35

m

[laurie_white]: 52:35

but now i had to take it to the next

[shaun]: 52:37

m

[laurie_white]: 52:37

level and prove myself to a whole new group of people

[shaun]: 52:40

m

[laurie_white]: 52:40

and then find my way around a new community and all that so

[shaun]: 52:43

m

[laurie_white]: 52:43

that's when i really felt like i started to

[scott]: 52:47

oh

[laurie_white]: 52:47

just

[shaun]: 52:47

oh

[laurie_white]: 52:48

i had to take on a different

[scott]: 52:49

oh

[laurie_white]: 52:50

level

[shaun]: 52:50

ah

[laurie_white]: 52:50

of commitment commitment is not even really the right word i just had to focus a little bit differently

[shaun]: 52:54

yah

[scott]: 52:55

h

[laurie_white]: 52:55

on that next

[scott]: 52:56

h

[laurie_white]: 52:56

step

[scott]: 52:56

m

[shaun]: 52:58

has

[scott]: 52:58

right

[shaun]: 52:59

has now that now we're talking twenty

[laurie_white]: 53:02

we're

[shaun]: 53:02

plus years now

[scott]: 53:03

no

[shaun]: 53:03

that you've been

[laurie_white]: 53:03

now

[shaun]: 53:04

kind of operating in this condition

[laurie_white]: 53:05

in this condition

[shaun]: 53:06

and decided to retire

[scott]: 53:08

yah

[shaun]: 53:08

like

[laurie_white]: 53:08

you re

[shaun]: 53:08

has the you know have the montes been like yeah this is an example

[laurie_white]: 53:12

is an

[shaun]: 53:12

this

[laurie_white]: 53:12

ample

[shaun]: 53:12

is

[laurie_white]: 53:13

of this

[shaun]: 53:13

i mean how that go like i mean if you want to talk about that

[laurie_white]: 53:17

i think that yeah i've certainly been referred to as a poster child in a lot of respects

[shaun]: 53:22

oh

[laurie_white]: 53:22

someone

[scott]: 53:22

ah

[laurie_white]: 53:22

who's overcome adversity but having said that

[scott]: 53:24

i

[laurie_white]: 53:25

it was not without a lot of conflict a few years after my return

[shaun]: 53:30

m

[laurie_white]: 53:31

to work i realized that from an energy expenditure perspective as an apt

[shaun]: 53:36

yeah

[laurie_white]: 53:37

you expend more you're tired more often because

[scott]: 53:39

i

[laurie_white]: 53:40

you've

[shaun]: 53:40

hm

[laurie_white]: 53:40

got fewer joints to do all the work

[shaun]: 53:42

right

[laurie_white]: 53:42

and so i started to really struggle with

[shaun]: 53:44

yah

[laurie_white]: 53:44

the shift work and

[scott]: 53:45

no

[laurie_white]: 53:45

the fatigue and not really being

[scott]: 53:47

m

[laurie_white]: 53:47

able to have much left in my tank for my personal lay and

[shaun]: 53:50

m

[laurie_white]: 53:50

by

[shaun]: 53:50

ye

[laurie_white]: 53:50

then i

[shaun]: 53:52

oh

[laurie_white]: 53:52

had gotten married i

[scott]: 53:54

oh

[laurie_white]: 53:55

i had had my first child

[scott]: 53:57

m

[laurie_white]: 53:57

and it just it was a lot like

[shaun]: 53:58

m

[laurie_white]: 53:59

i had felt like

[scott]: 53:59

i

[laurie_white]: 54:00

that i was giving all my good energy

[scott]: 54:02

oh

[laurie_white]: 54:02

to work and i reallydidn't have a lot left for my family and that

[shaun]: 54:05

right

[laurie_white]: 54:05

was not fair

[scott]: 54:06

yeah

[laurie_white]: 54:06

so i finally had

[shaun]: 54:07

oh

[laurie_white]: 54:07

to

[scott]: 54:07

ye

[laurie_white]: 54:07

go to my my bosses and my supervisors

[shaun]: 54:09

yeah

[laurie_white]: 54:10

and say i need to change this schedule and so i became what we

[shaun]: 54:15

m

[laurie_white]: 54:15

call here in canada like duty to accommodate

[shaun]: 54:17

yeah

[laurie_white]: 54:17

meaning that my hours were permanently

[shaun]: 54:20

m

[laurie_white]: 54:20

reduced and i was no longer able to

[shaun]: 54:22

oh

[laurie_white]: 54:22

be operational

[scott]: 54:22

yeah

[laurie_white]: 54:23

and so i was met with

[shaun]: 54:26

m

[laurie_white]: 54:26

you know keep in mind that i just said that i

[shaun]: 54:27

yeah

[laurie_white]: 54:28

won some awards and done some unprecedented things

[shaun]: 54:30

ah

[laurie_white]: 54:30

and all of a sudden i was met with well

[shaun]: 54:33

yeah

[laurie_white]: 54:33

we don't have a job for you here and you need to

[shaun]: 54:35

yah

[laurie_white]: 54:35

go sell yourself back to the organization i thought oh my god like what

[scott]: 54:38

really

[laurie_white]: 54:39

more

[shaun]: 54:39

m

[laurie_white]: 54:39

can i possibly do like what

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yes

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right

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what

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seriously

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more

[shaun]: 54:41

yeah

[laurie_white]: 54:41

can i bring

[shaun]: 54:41

right

[laurie_white]: 54:41

to the table everybody knows my story

[shaun]: 54:43

what pound of flesh do i

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i

[shaun]: 54:44

got

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felt

[shaun]: 54:44

to give

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very

[shaun]: 54:45

now

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much exactly

[scott]: 54:47

yeah right

[shaun]: 54:50

well

[laurie_white]: 54:50

it

[shaun]: 54:50

i

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was

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imagine

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a

[shaun]: 54:50

that would

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it was

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make

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a

[shaun]: 54:51

you

[laurie_white]: 54:51

challenge

[shaun]: 54:51

pretty angry too

[laurie_white]: 54:51

me

[shaun]: 54:51

though huh

[laurie_white]: 54:54

made me very angry

[shaun]: 54:56

yeah

[scott]: 54:56

ah

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so

[scott]: 54:57

yeah

[laurie_white]: 54:57

i did have a lot of conflict you know throughout my career really i mean you're always

[scott]: 55:02

oh

[laurie_white]: 55:02

fighting for a job you're always fighting for someone to pay for your legs pay for the things that you need

[scott]: 55:07

yeah

[laurie_white]: 55:08

chronic pain issues i was diagnosed

[scott]: 55:09

m

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with p t s d like all that kind of stuff so

[scott]: 55:12

oh

[shaun]: 55:12

hm

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i always got really what i needed

[shaun]: 55:14

oh

[scott]: 55:14

oh

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um but

[scott]: 55:16

yeah

[laurie_white]: 55:16

sometimes i didn't have the most rewarding jobs

[shaun]: 55:18

yeah

[laurie_white]: 55:19

so that part was frustrating i felt like in my book

[shaun]: 55:22

m

[scott]: 55:22

oh

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i liken it to one of those romantic

[shaun]: 55:24

yeah

[laurie_white]: 55:24

relationships where you're kind of abused all the time and i say

[shaun]: 55:27

m

[laurie_white]: 55:27

that not in it's

[scott]: 55:28

yeah

[laurie_white]: 55:28

a big organization and

[shaun]: 55:30

m

[laurie_white]: 55:30

i don't blame any

[scott]: 55:30

right

[laurie_white]: 55:31

one person

[shaun]: 55:31

yeah

[laurie_white]: 55:31

so it's not that it's just the system is not designed

[shaun]: 55:35

m

[laurie_white]: 55:35

certainly back then to

[shaun]: 55:36

yeah

[laurie_white]: 55:37

deal with somebody like me there

[shaun]: 55:39

hm

[laurie_white]: 55:39

were lots of funding issues like and that's something i don't know anything about the

[shaun]: 55:42

m

[laurie_white]: 55:42

funding issues i just know i want to go to work so where can i go to work and well

[scott]: 55:46

yeah

[laurie_white]: 55:46

that

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right

[laurie_white]: 55:46

unit can't take

[shaun]: 55:46

m

[laurie_white]: 55:47

you because of this that the other thing and

[scott]: 55:48

yeah

[laurie_white]: 55:48

i don't understand that as

[shaun]: 55:49

ye

[laurie_white]: 55:49

a thirty three year

[scott]: 55:50

oh

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old or whatever thirty five whatever

[shaun]: 55:51

yeah

[laurie_white]: 55:52

i was

[shaun]: 55:52

right

[laurie_white]: 55:52

so

[scott]: 55:53

m

[laurie_white]: 55:53

it's hard to wrap your head

[shaun]: 55:54

oh

[laurie_white]: 55:55

around when you're so devoted and you sacrifice so much

[shaun]: 55:57

m

[laurie_white]: 55:58

so i don't blame anybody and in hindsight

[shaun]: 56:00

oh

[laurie_white]: 56:00

i see things differently but in the time it seemed very dis

[shaun]: 56:03

m

[laurie_white]: 56:03

ning

[scott]: 56:04

yeah

[shaun]: 56:04

when you retired when you

[scott]: 56:05

m

[shaun]: 56:05

decide to retire was

[laurie_white]: 56:06

you're

[shaun]: 56:07

that did that gain much media attention

[scott]: 56:08

i

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like oh she is you know this

[laurie_white]: 56:10

i

[shaun]: 56:10

famous example of this was or was it just you gotta get the rat off in the sunset like actually

[laurie_white]: 56:14

on

[shaun]: 56:15

literally as a mount you get the rat and the

[laurie_white]: 56:16

she

[shaun]: 56:16

sunset

[laurie_white]: 56:16

literally

[shaun]: 56:17

don't you don't they let you like right away like a

[laurie_white]: 56:20

i don't have a horse i hate

[shaun]: 56:21

uh

[laurie_white]: 56:21

to disappoint but i've

[shaun]: 56:22

h no

[laurie_white]: 56:22

never ridden a horse as a part of this job so yeah

[shaun]: 56:24

oh

[laurie_white]: 56:25

it's

[shaun]: 56:25

really

[laurie_white]: 56:25

so disappointing

[shaun]: 56:25

darn darn

[laurie_white]: 56:26

um yeah

[shaun]: 56:27

that's kind of cool it's very romantic

[laurie_white]: 56:30

i had had some really cool jobs like i did security

[shaun]: 56:32

m

[laurie_white]: 56:32

planning for the twenty ten par olympics

[shaun]: 56:34

m

[scott]: 56:34

ah

[laurie_white]: 56:35

like very cool job

[shaun]: 56:36

wow

[laurie_white]: 56:36

so i did

[shaun]: 56:36

there

[laurie_white]: 56:36

have

[shaun]: 56:36

you go

[laurie_white]: 56:37

some great ones don't get me wrong i'm not in any way trying to say that i had a deflating career i did not had a lot of really cool experiences but when it came time to retire

[shaun]: 56:46

oh

[laurie_white]: 56:46

no i

[scott]: 56:46

yeah

[laurie_white]: 56:46

mean i live in a big

[shaun]: 56:47

yeah

[laurie_white]: 56:47

city now i transferred here back in know two thousand

[scott]: 56:49

yeah

[laurie_white]: 56:49

six or seven and i'm just another person i never actually even police in the area that i live in so lots of people

[shaun]: 56:56

ah

[laurie_white]: 56:56

wouldn't even really necessarily know

[scott]: 56:58

yeah

[laurie_white]: 56:58

that that

[shaun]: 56:59

oh

[laurie_white]: 56:59

was my career anyways so

[shaun]: 57:01

yeah

[laurie_white]: 57:01

just art of the

[scott]: 57:02

yeah

[laurie_white]: 57:02

community just another person

[scott]: 57:04

oh

[shaun]: 57:04

so and

[scott]: 57:05

when

[shaun]: 57:05

obviously

[scott]: 57:05

when

[shaun]: 57:05

in

[scott]: 57:05

did

[shaun]: 57:05

keeping

[scott]: 57:05

you

[shaun]: 57:05

with

[scott]: 57:06

when

[laurie_white]: 57:06

when

[scott]: 57:06

did

[laurie_white]: 57:06

did

[scott]: 57:06

you

[laurie_white]: 57:06

you

[scott]: 57:06

actually start

[laurie_white]: 57:07

when

[scott]: 57:07

working

[laurie_white]: 57:07

did you

[scott]: 57:07

on

[laurie_white]: 57:07

actually

[scott]: 57:07

the book

[laurie_white]: 57:07

still working on the book um

[shaun]: 57:10

m

[laurie_white]: 57:10

probably when i was still lying in my hospital bed in nineteen

[scott]: 57:12

m

[laurie_white]: 57:12

ninety eight

[shaun]: 57:13

there

[laurie_white]: 57:14

i

[shaun]: 57:14

you go

[laurie_white]: 57:14

i had

[scott]: 57:15

yeah

[laurie_white]: 57:15

written down some stuff i started to keep a journal i thought that that would be a good way i was heavily drugged and

[shaun]: 57:20

ah

[laurie_white]: 57:20

all that trying to keep track of some stuff people coming

[shaun]: 57:22

m

[laurie_white]: 57:23

to see me like meditations procedures

[shaun]: 57:25

oh

[laurie_white]: 57:25

that

[scott]: 57:25

yeah

[laurie_white]: 57:26

were happening all that stuff i was trying to keep some some

[shaun]: 57:28

m

[laurie_white]: 57:28

note so i

[scott]: 57:29

m

[laurie_white]: 57:29

did start back then but every

[shaun]: 57:31

m

[laurie_white]: 57:31

time over

[scott]: 57:32

yeah

[laurie_white]: 57:32

the next twenty plus years i would look at what i had written it seemed kind

[shaun]: 57:35

m

[laurie_white]: 57:35

of negative and kind of jaded and i think i

[scott]: 57:37

oh

[laurie_white]: 57:37

write out of emotion and so when

[shaun]: 57:39

hm

[laurie_white]: 57:39

i was going through conflict that's when

[shaun]: 57:40

oh

[laurie_white]: 57:40

i would sit down and write because that's just how i get my my

[scott]: 57:45

m

[laurie_white]: 57:45

lings across and that's how

[shaun]: 57:46

m

[laurie_white]: 57:46

i frame my next steps and

[shaun]: 57:48

hm

[laurie_white]: 57:48

i see that as a strength now but

[scott]: 57:50

a

[laurie_white]: 57:50

what i didn't know

[scott]: 57:53

oh

[laurie_white]: 57:53

every time

[shaun]: 57:53

m

[laurie_white]: 57:53

i would go back and look at what i had written it was not

[scott]: 57:56

m

[laurie_white]: 57:56

a book

[shaun]: 57:56

m

[scott]: 57:56

m

[laurie_white]: 57:56

that was that was not

[scott]: 57:58

oh

[laurie_white]: 57:59

no one wants to read that ship and

[shaun]: 58:00

right

[laurie_white]: 58:01

so

[scott]: 58:01

yeah

[laurie_white]: 58:01

when i retired i finally had some

[shaun]: 58:04

yeah

[laurie_white]: 58:04

time and some distant since separation from that career and

[shaun]: 58:08

oh

[laurie_white]: 58:08

some of the conflict that i had

[shaun]: 58:09

m

[laurie_white]: 58:09

had and then i was

[shaun]: 58:10

yeah

[laurie_white]: 58:10

able to go back and look at what i wrote and thought okay i can do with some tweaks here it actually has a really good message um

[shaun]: 58:17

yeah

[laurie_white]: 58:17

so i reached out to a

[scott]: 58:19

oh

[laurie_white]: 58:19

an editor with what i had at the time and i said

[scott]: 58:21

o

[laurie_white]: 58:22

i want you to be one hundred percent

[scott]: 58:23

oh

[laurie_white]: 58:23

honest with me i know i don't know you but you're professional in this area and if this is something that i should just bind up and leave for my kids

[shaun]: 58:29

yeah

[laurie_white]: 58:29

to read one day just so they know their mom a little bit better than you tell me i will i will put this to bed and that will be the end of it and he came back and said no i think i think there's definitely something here is a good message

[scott]: 58:39

yes

[laurie_white]: 58:40

here and so let's work on it and that's what we did

[shaun]: 58:42

and that

[scott]: 58:43

nice

[shaun]: 58:43

is a great spot

[laurie_white]: 58:43

i think the tone

[shaun]: 58:44

for that

[laurie_white]: 58:44

really needed to be

[shaun]: 58:46

yeah

[laurie_white]: 58:46

for

[shaun]: 58:46

like

[laurie_white]: 58:46

that

[shaun]: 58:46

that that there's a great spot to kind of wrap

[laurie_white]: 58:48

i

[shaun]: 58:48

this

[scott]: 58:48

yeah

[shaun]: 58:48

in at the end here like where can people find information on you

[laurie_white]: 58:51

where can

[shaun]: 58:52

about you

[laurie_white]: 58:52

find

[shaun]: 58:52

with the book everything is that god and do the plug for that

[scott]: 58:56

i

[shaun]: 58:56

if you can

[laurie_white]: 58:58

sure

[scott]: 58:58

h

[laurie_white]: 58:59

so

[scott]: 59:00

oh

[laurie_white]: 59:00

google search will tell you a lot because i have

[shaun]: 59:02

m

[laurie_white]: 59:02

been my profile over the years and so under

[shaun]: 59:04

ah

[laurie_white]: 59:05

my name and laurie white r c m p you'll see a lot i've got my book on amazon

[shaun]: 59:11

m

[laurie_white]: 59:11

thinking in the states barns

[shaun]: 59:12

yeah

[laurie_white]: 59:12

and

[scott]: 59:12

ah

[laurie_white]: 59:12

noble it's there it's it's

[shaun]: 59:15

oh

[scott]: 59:15

oh

[laurie_white]: 59:15

pretty much available anywhere nd it's called ten thirty three

[shaun]: 59:18

oh

[laurie_white]: 59:18

an officer down steps back up see that little play on words that i did there

[shaun]: 59:22

it was often

[laurie_white]: 59:22

yeah

[shaun]: 59:22

that is

[scott]: 59:23

right

[shaun]: 59:23

great

[scott]: 59:23

nice

[shaun]: 59:23

very

[laurie_white]: 59:23

m

[shaun]: 59:24

catchy i

[scott]: 59:24

nice

[shaun]: 59:24

like it i like ten thirty three m it's a different ten code for us i don't know if we use

[laurie_white]: 59:28

it's

[shaun]: 59:29

ten

[laurie_white]: 59:29

a different

[shaun]: 59:29

thirty three in the united states and then he officer

[scott]: 59:31

oh

[shaun]: 59:31

needs assistance is one that obviously raises everybody's

[laurie_white]: 59:34

that

[shaun]: 59:35

uh

[laurie_white]: 59:35

obviously

[shaun]: 59:35

you know

[laurie_white]: 59:35

a

[shaun]: 59:36

basically awareness of what's going on we

[laurie_white]: 59:38

and

[scott]: 59:38

yeah

[shaun]: 59:38

had to do that unfortunately a lot in the united states as of late to say

[scott]: 59:41

oh

[shaun]: 59:41

that but this is a great story lori really appreciate you coming on and

[scott]: 59:45

oh

[shaun]: 59:45

talking what oughts about and we'd like to you know anything

[scott]: 59:48

oh

[shaun]: 59:48

have you you know related to canadian police

[laurie_white]: 59:50

a

[shaun]: 59:51

it be great to have somebody that sound that in that can

[laurie_white]: 59:53

that

[shaun]: 59:53

come back and be an expert for us on it i mean i'm not trying to put

[laurie_white]: 59:55

not

[shaun]: 59:56

you

[laurie_white]: 59:56

trying

[shaun]: 59:56

in that kind of light like yet very humble person it's just kind of nice to see like somebody

[scott]: 1:00:00

thank

[shaun]: 1:00:00

that's gone through what you can you know has taken

[scott]: 1:00:02

got

[shaun]: 1:00:02

some

[laurie_white]: 1:00:02

and

[shaun]: 1:00:02

of the things that

[laurie_white]: 1:00:03

of the

[shaun]: 1:00:03

while

[laurie_white]: 1:00:03

things

[shaun]: 1:00:03

you were talking with

[laurie_white]: 1:00:04

you

[shaun]: 1:00:04

me as like yeah i've felt that like anger about

[laurie_white]: 1:00:06

anger

[shaun]: 1:00:06

things

[laurie_white]: 1:00:06

at

[shaun]: 1:00:06

throughout my

[scott]: 1:00:07

ah

[shaun]: 1:00:07

career and did i necessarily put it to good

[scott]: 1:00:09

like

[shaun]: 1:00:10

use like you did and i think a lot of us in this work and listen to this and say yeah yeah well you know

[laurie_white]: 1:00:14

yeah well

[shaun]: 1:00:15

cool at the end of the day i

[laurie_white]: 1:00:16

the

[shaun]: 1:00:16

still

[laurie_white]: 1:00:16

end

[shaun]: 1:00:16

had everything

[scott]: 1:00:16

yeah

[laurie_white]: 1:00:16

i

[shaun]: 1:00:16

attacked

[laurie_white]: 1:00:17

had

[shaun]: 1:00:17

on my body and my mind was still there maybe with it

[laurie_white]: 1:00:20

it

[shaun]: 1:00:20

you had to fight all those battles

[laurie_white]: 1:00:22

all

[shaun]: 1:00:22

and

[laurie_white]: 1:00:22

at

[shaun]: 1:00:22

then some so again i can't

[laurie_white]: 1:00:24

and

[shaun]: 1:00:24

say enough good things about

[scott]: 1:00:25

yeah

[shaun]: 1:00:25

you at one for

[laurie_white]: 1:00:26

on

[shaun]: 1:00:26

just doing that and then

[laurie_white]: 1:00:27

and

[shaun]: 1:00:27

presenting

[laurie_white]: 1:00:27

that

[shaun]: 1:00:28

this to us and hopefully we can help you present this message

[scott]: 1:00:30

oh

[shaun]: 1:00:30

out to more people on there scooter you any thing

[laurie_white]: 1:00:32

you got anything

[scott]: 1:00:34

no i just

[shaun]: 1:00:35

ah

[laurie_white]: 1:00:35

i

[scott]: 1:00:35

i

[laurie_white]: 1:00:35

just

[scott]: 1:00:35

really appreciate

[laurie_white]: 1:00:35

i really appreciate

[scott]: 1:00:36

your story

[laurie_white]: 1:00:36

your story

[scott]: 1:00:36

i mean it's

[laurie_white]: 1:00:36

i mean

[scott]: 1:00:37

it's

[laurie_white]: 1:00:37

it's

[shaun]: 1:00:37

oh

[scott]: 1:00:37

amazing

[laurie_white]: 1:00:37

it's amazing

[scott]: 1:00:38

and just

[laurie_white]: 1:00:38

and just

[scott]: 1:00:38

hearing

[shaun]: 1:00:38

yeah

[scott]: 1:00:39

everything

[laurie_white]: 1:00:39

hearing everything

[scott]: 1:00:39

that you

[laurie_white]: 1:00:39

that

[scott]: 1:00:39

went

[laurie_white]: 1:00:39

you

[scott]: 1:00:39

through

[laurie_white]: 1:00:39

went through

[scott]: 1:00:40

and

[laurie_white]: 1:00:40

and

[shaun]: 1:00:40

yeah

[scott]: 1:00:40

working

[laurie_white]: 1:00:41

working

[scott]: 1:00:41

through it

[laurie_white]: 1:00:41

through

[scott]: 1:00:41

and

[laurie_white]: 1:00:41

it

[scott]: 1:00:41

still

[laurie_white]: 1:00:41

and still

[scott]: 1:00:42

having

[laurie_white]: 1:00:42

having

[scott]: 1:00:43

a great

[laurie_white]: 1:00:43

a

[scott]: 1:00:43

career

[laurie_white]: 1:00:43

great career

[scott]: 1:00:44

and dave

[shaun]: 1:00:46

oh

[scott]: 1:00:46

you're just

[laurie_white]: 1:00:46

you're

[scott]: 1:00:46

a very

[laurie_white]: 1:00:46

just a

[scott]: 1:00:46

strong

[laurie_white]: 1:00:46

very strong

[scott]: 1:00:47

person

[laurie_white]: 1:00:47

person

[scott]: 1:00:47

and

[shaun]: 1:00:47

yeah

[scott]: 1:00:47

we appreciate

[laurie_white]: 1:00:47

and we appreciate

[scott]: 1:00:47

your story

[laurie_white]: 1:00:48

your story thank you very

[shaun]: 1:00:49

i

[laurie_white]: 1:00:49

much i really appreciate the opportunity to be here and i've never thought about

[shaun]: 1:00:52

oh

[laurie_white]: 1:00:53

you know sending my my leg to the museum

[shaun]: 1:00:58

oh my god you

[laurie_white]: 1:00:59

but

[shaun]: 1:00:59

got

[laurie_white]: 1:00:59

maybe

[shaun]: 1:00:59

to

[laurie_white]: 1:00:59

when

[shaun]: 1:00:59

do

[laurie_white]: 1:00:59

that

[shaun]: 1:00:59

that

[laurie_white]: 1:01:00

one's retired maybe i'll i'll

[shaun]: 1:01:01

seriously

[laurie_white]: 1:01:01

phone them up and see if they're

[shaun]: 1:01:02

we

[laurie_white]: 1:01:02

interested

[shaun]: 1:01:03

should start a campaign for that in canada

[scott]: 1:01:05

yeah

[shaun]: 1:01:06

people are much more receptive to things in canada than to me stupid

[laurie_white]: 1:01:09

oh

[shaun]: 1:01:10

things distracting us down here that would be great i mean seriously the

[scott]: 1:01:13

right

[shaun]: 1:01:14

museum

[scott]: 1:01:14

right

[shaun]: 1:01:14

having there's like no

[scott]: 1:01:15

right

[shaun]: 1:01:15

one's ever done this before and so far

[laurie_white]: 1:01:17

ever

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nobody

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done

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ever has

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for

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so

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yeah

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um it's kind of cool that's being said if you need to get a hold of us for any reason

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get

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talk

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for a

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you can go to our web page which is www three the number three cups talk dot com everything is out there you can see

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every

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more about laurie

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more about larry

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as one of our guests your information

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one of our

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will be attached to this episode when it's dropped

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drop

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um and if you want

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and

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to get a hold

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of

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let's three

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mail

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cups talk at g mail dot com is the same set up three the number three cups talk a mail dot com go out there chickusout we

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the

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got some you tube o this will be a youtube

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video

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video as well you can see what

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as well

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lovely laurie

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see

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looks

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what

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like and at the end

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laurie

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you

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looks

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get

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like

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to see her actual

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and you get to see

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cool

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her

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as canadian

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think police like it's a it's a trophy this point i'd say most of us would want that that's fairly kind

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oh

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of neat but thanks again laurie for your time and

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in a

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we'd love to have you back

[scott]: 1:02:04

thank you

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and

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so much

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talk with us again here in the

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thank

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future

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you so much

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please stay safe and keep us informed and remember

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say

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her fight

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keep

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oaks will

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ormed

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see you soon

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you soon thank you so